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<blockquote data-quote="Kae'Yoss" data-source="post: 3555143" data-attributes="member: 4134"><p>I don't know about many other campaign settings, but at least in the Realms and in Midnight, they're very good at fighting.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And Cormanthor (with Myth Drannor - recently purged from hordes of devils and daemonfey by an elven crusade), and a number of forests with large wild/wood elf populations. And several lands and cities with more than a bit of elven population among other races.</p><p></p><p>That's a good example, by the way: In that crusade, they managed to make several allies, and hold their own against daemonfey, devils, drow, the Zhentarim, Hillsfar.... did I forget anyone? They also kept Evereska free of the fey'ri threat.</p><p></p><p>Oh, and they held their own against both the Phaerimm and Shades back when Shade returned, again having some allies on their side (but still doing more then enough of the fighting themselves)</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Forget your pacifist house rules. They're absent in D&D. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I wouldn't call it doing nothing. Just because you don't kill an enemy nation every 3 years doesn't mean that you do nothing.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Been there, done that.</p><p></p><p>Canon's there, too. The FRCS 3e itself states that the Retreat is over. Already, the elves have retaken Myth Drannor with a crusade that led thousands of evermeet elves back to Faerûn.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I want to point out again that those realities seem to apply mostly to your CS. </p><p></p><p>Again speaking for the FR, elven history is anything but peaceful. There's some areas that have been rendered inhabitable by the high elven magic version of nuklear fallout (one of those areas -a very big one - has very recently been "cleaned"), cities that have been swallowed by the see because elves had enough of its inhabitants.</p><p></p><p>There was a 3000 year period where elves covered all of Faerûn with terrible war.</p><p></p><p>And they managed to wrest dominion of faerûn from the dragons.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Note that most atrocities were commited by two nations, Aryvandaar and Ilythiir. The others just defended themselves (or carried out divine edict). Not even all gold elves were like that (or all dark elves, for that matter).</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>They went home. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Note that elves are less likely to fail that save than many other races, because their dex bonus gives them +1 on reflex saves. And those who don't get the bonus are usually better at flinging those fireballs around.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Kae'Yoss, post: 3555143, member: 4134"] I don't know about many other campaign settings, but at least in the Realms and in Midnight, they're very good at fighting. And Cormanthor (with Myth Drannor - recently purged from hordes of devils and daemonfey by an elven crusade), and a number of forests with large wild/wood elf populations. And several lands and cities with more than a bit of elven population among other races. That's a good example, by the way: In that crusade, they managed to make several allies, and hold their own against daemonfey, devils, drow, the Zhentarim, Hillsfar.... did I forget anyone? They also kept Evereska free of the fey'ri threat. Oh, and they held their own against both the Phaerimm and Shades back when Shade returned, again having some allies on their side (but still doing more then enough of the fighting themselves) Forget your pacifist house rules. They're absent in D&D. I wouldn't call it doing nothing. Just because you don't kill an enemy nation every 3 years doesn't mean that you do nothing. Been there, done that. Canon's there, too. The FRCS 3e itself states that the Retreat is over. Already, the elves have retaken Myth Drannor with a crusade that led thousands of evermeet elves back to Faerûn. I want to point out again that those realities seem to apply mostly to your CS. Again speaking for the FR, elven history is anything but peaceful. There's some areas that have been rendered inhabitable by the high elven magic version of nuklear fallout (one of those areas -a very big one - has very recently been "cleaned"), cities that have been swallowed by the see because elves had enough of its inhabitants. There was a 3000 year period where elves covered all of Faerûn with terrible war. And they managed to wrest dominion of faerûn from the dragons. Note that most atrocities were commited by two nations, Aryvandaar and Ilythiir. The others just defended themselves (or carried out divine edict). Not even all gold elves were like that (or all dark elves, for that matter). They went home. Note that elves are less likely to fail that save than many other races, because their dex bonus gives them +1 on reflex saves. And those who don't get the bonus are usually better at flinging those fireballs around. [/QUOTE]
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