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<blockquote data-quote="Edena_of_Neith" data-source="post: 3564075" data-attributes="member: 2020">That is true.&nbsp; The elves of Evermeet surrendered to Forrester, Lord of the Humanoids, and joined the elven race to the humanoid races, and they became one people.&nbsp; The elves gave up their antipathy to humanoids, and Forrester (incredibly!) gave up his hatred of elves.&nbsp; It happened in the 2nd IR.&nbsp; But would it happen in most games?&nbsp; Yes, the elves of Evermeet were horrified at the doings of the Elven Imperial Navy of Realmspace, and at their own earlier actions, but would they make amends in that way?&nbsp; Remember that Queen Amlaruil gave up her title, and her eldest daughter became Forrester's concubine.&nbsp; Would they do that?&nbsp; (of course, I said yes.&nbsp; Other DMs might not ...)&nbsp;&nbsp; And yet, everyone came very close to being exterminated by Melkor (not to be confused with Tolkien's Melkor) and his Shadow Hosts.&nbsp; If the Demiplane of Hope had not been created, Melkor would have won.&nbsp; It took outside help to create that Plane, from the taraakians.&nbsp; The elves did not save the day.&nbsp; They barely survived, along with the others.&nbsp; They were saved by outside influences.&nbsp; I would daresay that noble people like the Archcleric of Veluna <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> and clever people like the King of the Union of Oerth <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> saw to it that this outside help came.&nbsp; No thanks to the elves ... or to many others!&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin&nbsp; &nbsp; :D"&nbsp; data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />&nbsp; &nbsp; True enough.&nbsp; And it's a hard enough piece of work for the poor DM.&nbsp; Now he has to figure in fantasy races (Dragonlance DMs must figure in kender <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin&nbsp; &nbsp; :D"&nbsp; data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> )&nbsp; I guess that's why the game features humans as the dominant race, as Gary Gygax said.&nbsp; I just wish Chaotic Good had been defined a little more clearly.&nbsp; Heh.&nbsp; LOL.&nbsp; Can't be done, actually, it would seem.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Edena_of_Neith, post: 3564075, member: 2020"] That is true. The elves of Evermeet surrendered to Forrester, Lord of the Humanoids, and joined the elven race to the humanoid races, and they became one people. The elves gave up their antipathy to humanoids, and Forrester (incredibly!) gave up his hatred of elves. It happened in the 2nd IR. But would it happen in most games? Yes, the elves of Evermeet were horrified at the doings of the Elven Imperial Navy of Realmspace, and at their own earlier actions, but would they make amends in that way? Remember that Queen Amlaruil gave up her title, and her eldest daughter became Forrester's concubine. Would they do that? (of course, I said yes. Other DMs might not ...) And yet, everyone came very close to being exterminated by Melkor (not to be confused with Tolkien's Melkor) and his Shadow Hosts. If the Demiplane of Hope had not been created, Melkor would have won. It took outside help to create that Plane, from the taraakians. The elves did not save the day. They barely survived, along with the others. They were saved by outside influences. I would daresay that noble people like the Archcleric of Veluna :) and clever people like the King of the Union of Oerth :) saw to it that this outside help came. No thanks to the elves ... or to many others! :D True enough. And it's a hard enough piece of work for the poor DM. Now he has to figure in fantasy races (Dragonlance DMs must figure in kender :D ) I guess that's why the game features humans as the dominant race, as Gary Gygax said. I just wish Chaotic Good had been defined a little more clearly. Heh. LOL. Can't be done, actually, it would seem. [/QUOTE]

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