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<blockquote data-quote="Kae'Yoss" data-source="post: 3564947" data-attributes="member: 4134"><p>You got the bladesingers wrangled up:</p><p></p><p>The older Bladesingers (From Tome and Blood, its Web Enhancement, and then Races of Faerûn) could indeed cast one free spell (which would probably have been changed to swift had the terminology been around back then - and I'm not sure if the classes didn't actually say that that one spell counts as your quickened spell) while making a full attack, BUT they had their own spell list, containing buffs and the like only (sure, a free true strike is cool, but I've seen worse). I played one of those, and while it was indeed effective, I've seen more devastating characters since. That restriction to using a blade one-handed (and keeping the other hand free) isn't helping.</p><p></p><p>The new Bladesinger (Complete Warrior) trades in his spell list for extra arcanist levels every other level, but only gets to cast one (2nd-level, later 4th) spell per day as a free action (and 3.5e has more effective methods for this).</p><p></p><p>I haven't seen one in action, but I'd say that a straight duskblade can outperform a bladesinger with ease.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Huh? Yeah, if I mix some 2e, 3e and 3.5e stuff together, I can pull off stuff like that, but what you describe is not possible under the current rules.</p><p></p><p>She could make a full attack (with an extra attack even) and cast 3.5e hold person on you - once per day. More if she has metamagic rods (quicken), but then again, a wizard can use those to shove two sets of meteor swarms down your throat. Or a war cleric uses first harm on you, followed by power word (kill) (or, if you use 3.0 haste and 3.5 rods, he'll use haste to cast harm, then cast a quickened harm, followed by power word kill. Or maybe a greater dispel magic after the first harm, should you look like being close enough to the end, but might be warded by death ward)</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>What about that cleric? He's probably a cleric of Corellon and friends with that elven girl (probably her husband, since power is a force of attraction) he'll beat the living bejeezus out of Lidda, true res his gal, and then speak with dead Lidda to find out who sent her. One scry/buff/teleport later drops like 1 elven doom spell per second (eds/s) upon you. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue :p" data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Kae'Yoss, post: 3564947, member: 4134"] You got the bladesingers wrangled up: The older Bladesingers (From Tome and Blood, its Web Enhancement, and then Races of Faerûn) could indeed cast one free spell (which would probably have been changed to swift had the terminology been around back then - and I'm not sure if the classes didn't actually say that that one spell counts as your quickened spell) while making a full attack, BUT they had their own spell list, containing buffs and the like only (sure, a free true strike is cool, but I've seen worse). I played one of those, and while it was indeed effective, I've seen more devastating characters since. That restriction to using a blade one-handed (and keeping the other hand free) isn't helping. The new Bladesinger (Complete Warrior) trades in his spell list for extra arcanist levels every other level, but only gets to cast one (2nd-level, later 4th) spell per day as a free action (and 3.5e has more effective methods for this). I haven't seen one in action, but I'd say that a straight duskblade can outperform a bladesinger with ease. Huh? Yeah, if I mix some 2e, 3e and 3.5e stuff together, I can pull off stuff like that, but what you describe is not possible under the current rules. She could make a full attack (with an extra attack even) and cast 3.5e hold person on you - once per day. More if she has metamagic rods (quicken), but then again, a wizard can use those to shove two sets of meteor swarms down your throat. Or a war cleric uses first harm on you, followed by power word (kill) (or, if you use 3.0 haste and 3.5 rods, he'll use haste to cast harm, then cast a quickened harm, followed by power word kill. Or maybe a greater dispel magic after the first harm, should you look like being close enough to the end, but might be warded by death ward) What about that cleric? He's probably a cleric of Corellon and friends with that elven girl (probably her husband, since power is a force of attraction) he'll beat the living bejeezus out of Lidda, true res his gal, and then speak with dead Lidda to find out who sent her. One scry/buff/teleport later drops like 1 elven doom spell per second (eds/s) upon you. :p [/QUOTE]
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