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<blockquote data-quote="gizmo33" data-source="post: 3570606" data-attributes="member: 30001"><p>And throw at each other - evil creatures are just as likely to attack each other. Various published modules probably describe the various factions of the drow in enough detail so that it's not hard to see why the surface elves are safe from any sort of attack. Also you've got Mind Flayers living next door to them, and I imagine a drow brain is just as tasty as a regular elf brain, and drow brains are more conveniently available. I think in many campaign worlds, the drow would have their hands full enough without picking a fight with the surface.</p><p></p><p>Basically, I think evil in DnD is lacking the kind of solidarity that you envision. That's good's major advantage - having DMed some evil PC parties, I can say I've witnessed the inherent draw-back of evil first-hand. You seem to be imagining something like: "Hey, it's another evil guy! Hey evil guy, I'm evil too! That makes us natural allies. Let's go attack some good people."</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It seemed to me that in your analysis you assumed that elves and humans were identical in every way not explicitly stated in the PHB. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>On top of "good" having it's own inherent advantages, elves aren't required to be good anyway. There could exist neutral, and even evil elves within the group (like an assassin) - were a human kingdom to start persecuting elves in general, they'd have to tangle with these less-good sub-groups as well.</p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p>"And then some" what? I would think being outlanders would be sufficient - anything else implies, AFAICT some sort of xenophobia that you believe to be the basic nature of all sentient beings. I don't see any reason why groups of elves wouldn't find those of other realms to be exciting curiosities. In fact the basic demographics of the distribution of the races seems to indicate that pockets of demi-humans of the various types live in most human communities.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="gizmo33, post: 3570606, member: 30001"] And throw at each other - evil creatures are just as likely to attack each other. Various published modules probably describe the various factions of the drow in enough detail so that it's not hard to see why the surface elves are safe from any sort of attack. Also you've got Mind Flayers living next door to them, and I imagine a drow brain is just as tasty as a regular elf brain, and drow brains are more conveniently available. I think in many campaign worlds, the drow would have their hands full enough without picking a fight with the surface. Basically, I think evil in DnD is lacking the kind of solidarity that you envision. That's good's major advantage - having DMed some evil PC parties, I can say I've witnessed the inherent draw-back of evil first-hand. You seem to be imagining something like: "Hey, it's another evil guy! Hey evil guy, I'm evil too! That makes us natural allies. Let's go attack some good people." It seemed to me that in your analysis you assumed that elves and humans were identical in every way not explicitly stated in the PHB. On top of "good" having it's own inherent advantages, elves aren't required to be good anyway. There could exist neutral, and even evil elves within the group (like an assassin) - were a human kingdom to start persecuting elves in general, they'd have to tangle with these less-good sub-groups as well. "And then some" what? I would think being outlanders would be sufficient - anything else implies, AFAICT some sort of xenophobia that you believe to be the basic nature of all sentient beings. I don't see any reason why groups of elves wouldn't find those of other realms to be exciting curiosities. In fact the basic demographics of the distribution of the races seems to indicate that pockets of demi-humans of the various types live in most human communities. [/QUOTE]
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