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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Derren" data-source="post: 3572129" data-attributes="member: 2518">1. Simple logical conclusion. Elves are humanoid and thus would follow the humanoid reproduction cycle which means single children, not to mention the time needed to raise children. That does limit the number of children they can have and the slow growth till maturity does the rest.2. In the real world those nations tend to have a very big technological advantage, an advantage the elves do not have in D&D. Elven swords are in no way better than orc swords (or not so much better as to give them a big advantage).1. Does it say somewhere that in D&D there are trees which grow coal and iron? No? Then answer me how a D&D forest should contain more ressources than real world forests. Especially as elves do apparently not harm the enviroment its impossible for them to gather ore and many other ressources in a forest.2. And what would the elves trade for the diamonds, not to mention all the other ressources they need? Meat, hides and wood? That are rather cheap ressources and could not support the import of large amounts of expensive ressources + generat enough additional income to finance a big wizard training program.A lower total life span would mean that elves would mature faster so they could start to raise children themself much faster than they could now and that is the important thing.And if you want raw sources, in 2 Ed. the elves had a 2 year gestation period.SHould I really take this serious? You really want to compare mice with orcs? When mice would learn how to use assault rifles, rocket launchers and tanks then we humans would have some very big problems.Orcs are no animals without ambitions and sentience. They are much more dangerous then a normal mouse and so it is a big problem when orcs produce much faster than you.Have you forgotten that since Corellon wounded Gruumsh, elves and orcs are mortal enemies? Thinking that orcs would not attack elves is quite naive and unlogical.Limitless? How. Examples please. And also provide examples in which places elves would be able to get large quantities of diamonds, gold and iron without destroying the environment. Simply arguing "Its fantasy so somehow its probably possible" does not cut it. Provide examples.D&D has a standard demographic for all PHB races which say that 95% of the population are commoners. Likewise the city builder tables do not give elves any level advantage compared to other races. And elves do not have any bonuses for casting magic or hiding in forests.And funny that you mention an intelligence bonus because the elves do not have any. That alone prevents them from being much better wizards than other races as the number of wizards is limited by the number of exceptional individuals with higher than normal Int and coupled with the low elven birthrate that would be quite a small number.Where do you get this from? Elves do not have any forest related abilities. They are not more suited for a live in a forest than humans or orcs are.</blockquote>

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