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Message: <blockquote data-quote="The Green Adam" data-source="post: 3573215" data-attributes="member: 50821">I'm not certain why a new thread needed to be made as we addressed much of this in the earlier thread. And as in that thread I would have askThey're not winners? That's built into the rules? A higher Dex when most of their attacks are Dex based, resistance to sleep and charm, seeing in the dark, long life, an affinity in using magic...yep, sounds pretty weak. :\ What reality? The one we each make up for our campaigns?Let's see...Humans have trouble seeing in the dark, resisting sleep spells and can be paralyzed by a Ghoul. They age and die.Well, elves don't suffer the first three problems and they are fairly resistant to the fourth. (The Elven immunity to Ghouls is listed in the original, 'first addition' Monster Manual. 1: Mine do. Fairly often.2: A) Not all Elves live in forests. B) The forests they do live in must be able to support their cities. C) Magic3: What?! I'm sorry, I mean...really? I don't recall them doing that in my campaign.4: Unless they need to team to fight a more immediate, deadly menace.5: Agreed. No time to waste picking on the potentially helpful magical allies.6: Huh? Which race of the basic assortment lives longer and creates as many powerful magic items?While some of your ideas are interesting, the catalyst for your overall opinion of Elves eludes me. If you are refering to Elves in a particular book series or campaign, your comments and comparisons might be correct. However, to say that Elves in D&D as written are somehow inferior...I just don't see it in any way, shape or form. Further more, none of my campaigns have ever reflected this mentality in the 30 years I've been playing. Trust me, in thirty years I've seen a lot of Elves.</blockquote>

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