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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Derren" data-source="post: 3575544" data-attributes="member: 2518">1: C.Because WotC modeled elves after the LotR image which includes a lot of disadvantages like their eco lifestyle, low reporoduction rate etc. but in order to make them a LA 0 playable race they left out all advantages elves have. Now elves are balanced as adventurers but suck as society/nation and as WotC does not care about believable worlds (They don't build their worlds in a historcial sense but simply say "Elves go there") this wasn't noticed/was not a problem.2.- Elf fanboys- People who want to make D&D, as it is, work- People who say that everything in the D&D books is law and that they have to invent reasons to explain them3. ?4. - See above- Because people see the issues with elves as seperate problems which are not connected and also fail to see how it affects the rest of the races (mostly true for people who invent things)- As I am not a native english speaker I probably sometimes use the wrong words and understand something not correctly.But ok, lets say elves are so fortunate to sit on huge gemstone and diamond deposits so that they can buy all other things they do not have in a forest but are still required for a advanced civilization like iron, salt, mercury, silver(dust), the special materials required for enchanting and scribing,...That would mean that elves depend on trade with outside realms and that includes protecting the trade routes as this trade with valuable items makes them even more of a target. So now elves do not have to defend themself against orcs and other evil races which simply hate elves and want to kill them, thzey now have also a problem with bandits who raid their caravans and greedy neutral rulers who want their diamonds.That strains the elven military even more and the already huge disadvantage of slow elven reproduction (or rather the slow maturing of elves) becomes worse.As an example, a elf gets born and takes 100+ years to grow up and become a level 1 warrior/fighter (or to reach the point where he can have children him/herself). In that 100 years the elves are probably attacked a dozend times. A single orc tribe alone which normally has nothing better to do than to slaughter elves, can attack, loose, rebreed, retrain and attack again two or three times in that 100 years. Then add the greedy rulers mentioned above, maybe a dragon who also wants those rich diamond mines etc.That leads to the attrition I mentioned earlier. Elves would loose more adult elves than elves would grow up to replace them. Sooner or later the elves would have so few adults that they will be overrun by an attack.A way to solve that is mercenaries, but for that the elves need to be extremly rich and mercenaries pose a risk as they might decide they are better off to attack the elves and size the diamonds for themself. Not to mention that a lot of mercenaries do not fit well with the hunter-gatherer lifestyle of elves as such a society is not able to supply a large number of not working people.</blockquote>

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