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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Derren" data-source="post: 3575655" data-attributes="member: 2518">You can deny it all you want but the similarity of D&D elves to Lotr elves and the early books clearly show that D&D was inspired by LotR. The hobbits have changed over the editions but the elves have not.And as the PHB describes the default elven society which is in effect as long as a campaign setting does not specifically overrule it I feel pretty comfortable to use it as basis to argue that D&D elves would not survive as society.Maybe you should reread what fusangite asked me. "Why do you think..."1. Read PHB elven lands2. Knowing that elves live in small woodland communities and don't clear trees to farm, how do they support themself?Read PHB Elven Lands.And where do all those hired guards come from? And are they enough to stop larger bands of bandits?You fail to look at the circumstances again. They survive as small communities but survival is not enough. To fend off all the elf hating races which breed much faster than them they do not need to only survive but to prosper.And I never disputed that elves have a martial society, after all every elf learns to use a sword and a bow, but as they would not have the HP and BAB warriors have the milita would have high casulties in a conflict, casulties small elven communities can't cope with.Where is the proof that elves have many magical items? The wealth by community size table says something different.And elves simply can't afford to be agressive. As I explained again and again, their low reproduction rate makes a war against a other, fast breeding race useless as those race will recover from the war (even if they loose) much faster than the elves do so in the end the elves will come out weakened even if they attack and win. The only way to prevent that is genocide (which leaves room for other powers to take the place) or occupation (which teh elves do not have the troop strength for).</blockquote>

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