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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Derren" data-source="post: 3575709" data-attributes="member: 2518">I am sure that there are quoates from Gygax around which tell the sources of D&D I just don't know where to find it. But that you are not willing to accept even this little fact despite all the evidence speaks much about your willingness to discuss.PS: In earlier editions elves were immortal.*sigh* Exactly because the PHB doesn't make any setting assumptions makes it the default.  When a setting does not say something else the elves behave like in the PHB. They are the default and how WotC envision elves to be.Using your arguments I can say that dwarves are tall, good looking scholars who can't do any physical labor because I can make a campaighn setting where dwarves are large have +4 Cha but -6 to all physical stats. But that would not be normal D&D dwarves those dwarves are like they are presented in teh PHB and the same applies to elves. Only because you can make a campaign setting where elves are different from the PHB does not mean that D&D elves are like in your campaign setting and not like they are in the PHB.Support doeasn't mean that they prosper. And maybe you will understand this: WHen you see a wrong matematical equation you normally take the formula and calculate the correct result. What you are doing is to take the result and change the formula so that the result is correct.We know the elven stats how they live and what enemies they have (formula)., Now the PHB says that they survive very well under this condition (result) which is wrong. By "recalculating" the formula you get the conclusion that the real result is that elves would die out. You say that the books say that the elves survive and so all the information about their lifestyle is wrong.And what when the band of bandits (50 or so) come to the merchants? With all the diamond trades elven trade routes are a good target. How many guards have the merchants to hire to compensate for the lack of elven military presence.Then you should read more D&D books. Begin with the MM entry of orcs and hobgoblins and then read the deity descriptions of Corellon and Gruumsh.Not every elf is a trained milita member, they just know how to use a sword and a bow. They have no training in actually hitting things with them (BAB), how to avoid blows (HP) and wear armor (profiency). Long lives don't mean much when they have to wait five times as long as other races for a child to grow up to be a soldier. By that time other races already have level 20 heroes. And having a favored class wizard only means that elves are better to mix spellcasting with other occupations, but multiclassing a wizard is a rather bad idea. Not to mention that the number of elven wizards is still limited by the number of exceptional elves with higher than normal Int.No, that are PHB race communities. Only the racial mix table does change. And while elves have long lived wizards, humans have a lot more wizards than them. So where is the advantage? Also elves need also people to use the magical items. 500 magical swords do you no good when you only have 100 warriors. Not to mention that the MM elf entry features a distinctive lack of magical items.How much space do hunter/gatherer societies need to survive? quite a lot that means the population density of elves would be quite low comapred to other civilized nations. And with all the disadvantages elves have especially the low reproduction rate it is very unlikely that they have a population size compareable to other races unless their god created them several thousand years before the other races appeared.</blockquote>

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