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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 3575717" data-attributes="member: 22779"><p>Ok, while I know my rules fu is pretty weak in 1e and 2e, I know that's not true. Elves lived for centuries, and IIRC, grey elves won the Methuselah award at around 2000 years, but none of the D&D elves were immortal. Just really, really long lived.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Ahh, but, just because I have more wizards doesn't mean a whole lot when power is accrued exponentially. A single 5th level wizard is pretty much a match for 10 1st level wizards. One invisibility spell plus a fireball and all his problems vanish. When I've got centuries to gain levels, I can be very choosy and only go when I know I'm going to win. For humans to race up the levels, they have to take very big risks plus, given the nature of humans, other humans are going to try and stop them.</p><p></p><p>Elves can afford to take a REALLY long view. A single level every decade still sees them at 20th level before middle age. Sure, humans can have 100 times as many wizards, but, they can only field a very, very small number of high level ones. Elves, simply through what amounts to accumulated interest, can field dozens, if not hundreds of high level characters.</p><p></p><p>Never mind just wizards, what about all the classes? Every Elf, by middle age, should be well into double digit levels. That means that about half your population is a high level character. While a 20th level commoner isn't exactly a powerhouse, he's more than capable of kicking butt against anything in the single digit level range.</p><p></p><p>The human wizards cannot create that many magic items simply because they run out of time. It takes such a significant portion of their lifespan to reach very high levels that they are lucky to be able to crank out more than a couple of powerful items. Elves can spend a decade between crafting Staffs of the Magi regaining xp.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 3575717, member: 22779"] Ok, while I know my rules fu is pretty weak in 1e and 2e, I know that's not true. Elves lived for centuries, and IIRC, grey elves won the Methuselah award at around 2000 years, but none of the D&D elves were immortal. Just really, really long lived. Ahh, but, just because I have more wizards doesn't mean a whole lot when power is accrued exponentially. A single 5th level wizard is pretty much a match for 10 1st level wizards. One invisibility spell plus a fireball and all his problems vanish. When I've got centuries to gain levels, I can be very choosy and only go when I know I'm going to win. For humans to race up the levels, they have to take very big risks plus, given the nature of humans, other humans are going to try and stop them. Elves can afford to take a REALLY long view. A single level every decade still sees them at 20th level before middle age. Sure, humans can have 100 times as many wizards, but, they can only field a very, very small number of high level ones. Elves, simply through what amounts to accumulated interest, can field dozens, if not hundreds of high level characters. Never mind just wizards, what about all the classes? Every Elf, by middle age, should be well into double digit levels. That means that about half your population is a high level character. While a 20th level commoner isn't exactly a powerhouse, he's more than capable of kicking butt against anything in the single digit level range. The human wizards cannot create that many magic items simply because they run out of time. It takes such a significant portion of their lifespan to reach very high levels that they are lucky to be able to crank out more than a couple of powerful items. Elves can spend a decade between crafting Staffs of the Magi regaining xp. [/QUOTE]
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