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<blockquote data-quote="fusangite" data-source="post: 3577834" data-attributes="member: 7240"><p>The variations are obvious. Everybody <em>assumes</em> that human beings have a wide diversity of cultures, settlement patterns, economies, etc.Edena, I'm implying no such things. What I am telling you is that because we <em>know</em> that you don't need to change humans' stats one iota in order to produce humans cultures that are radically different from one another, there is no need to create any house race rules whatsoever for elvish groups to be as different from one another as human groups are.I could make the same arguments re: humans. I am using nothing but the RAW when I state that human beings are capable of being massively diverse. I don't need to houserule anything at all to have some human cultures dying out and others flourishing; I don't need to houserule anything to have some human cultures enjoy high levels of population growth and others enjoy negative population growth. You keep accusing me of somehow deploying house rules when I say over and over again that I do not need to create one single house rule for elves to be as culturally diverse a group as humans. Why would I need a rule to state that?</p><p></p><p>Different human cultures produce radically different rates of reproduction, mortality, growth, etc. even though the basic stats for humans in all of these cultures are exactly the same. Why would elvish cultures not produce equally radically divergent rates of reproduction, mortality, growth, etc?The fact that humans are standardized does not alter the fact that in some settings, they are on the brink of extinction and in others, lords of the world, all without changing the RAW one iota.</p><p></p><p>Elves are exactly as standardized as humans in the RAW. Both groups are equally standardized under the rules. But that standardization does not mean that there is some set of base characteristics for human cultures. </p><p></p><p>Let me put it to you this way:</p><p><strong>Humans and elves are equally standardized under the RAW.</strong></p><p><strong>Without deviating one word from the RAW, a GM can produce an incredibly wide diversity of human societies.</strong></p><p><strong>Therefore, given that elves are no more standardized in the RAW than humans, a GM should be able to create an equally wide diversity of elvish societies without one single house rule.</strong>It's not narrow. The rules do not radically circumscribe what the human race can be in a setting; therefore, they cannot radically circumscribe what the elves can be in a setting because the rules do not constrain the options of elves any more than they do humans.But you do. You claim that all RAW elves in all possible settings are undergoing a demographic crisis.I don't know what you mean by "baseline."</p><p></p><p>What is the "baseline" for RAW humans?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="fusangite, post: 3577834, member: 7240"] The variations are obvious. Everybody [i]assumes[/i] that human beings have a wide diversity of cultures, settlement patterns, economies, etc.Edena, I'm implying no such things. What I am telling you is that because we [i]know[/i] that you don't need to change humans' stats one iota in order to produce humans cultures that are radically different from one another, there is no need to create any house race rules whatsoever for elvish groups to be as different from one another as human groups are.I could make the same arguments re: humans. I am using nothing but the RAW when I state that human beings are capable of being massively diverse. I don't need to houserule anything at all to have some human cultures dying out and others flourishing; I don't need to houserule anything to have some human cultures enjoy high levels of population growth and others enjoy negative population growth. You keep accusing me of somehow deploying house rules when I say over and over again that I do not need to create one single house rule for elves to be as culturally diverse a group as humans. Why would I need a rule to state that? Different human cultures produce radically different rates of reproduction, mortality, growth, etc. even though the basic stats for humans in all of these cultures are exactly the same. Why would elvish cultures not produce equally radically divergent rates of reproduction, mortality, growth, etc?The fact that humans are standardized does not alter the fact that in some settings, they are on the brink of extinction and in others, lords of the world, all without changing the RAW one iota. Elves are exactly as standardized as humans in the RAW. Both groups are equally standardized under the rules. But that standardization does not mean that there is some set of base characteristics for human cultures. Let me put it to you this way: [b]Humans and elves are equally standardized under the RAW.[/b] [b]Without deviating one word from the RAW, a GM can produce an incredibly wide diversity of human societies.[/b] [b]Therefore, given that elves are no more standardized in the RAW than humans, a GM should be able to create an equally wide diversity of elvish societies without one single house rule.[/b]It's not narrow. The rules do not radically circumscribe what the human race can be in a setting; therefore, they cannot radically circumscribe what the elves can be in a setting because the rules do not constrain the options of elves any more than they do humans.But you do. You claim that all RAW elves in all possible settings are undergoing a demographic crisis.I don't know what you mean by "baseline." What is the "baseline" for RAW humans? [/QUOTE]
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