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<blockquote data-quote="DM-Rocco" data-source="post: 3578980" data-attributes="member: 14451"><p>Oh, this whole thread is just silly. You make a lot of assumptions about elves. Your whole argument revolves around the phrase, "Elves have the same problems as Humans." However, from what I have read, you miss the key point, just because they have the same problems as humans doesn't mean they resolve those problems the same way as a human counterpart might.</p><p></p><p>An Elf Druid could make food grow in abundance with little effort and low level, now they have time to frolic and dance, really, that there ruins your whole argument, but let's explore a little more. Water in the forests is not always stagnate, today's society has done that to most of our drinking water, not nature, although nature can, just not as frequently as you seem to think.. Elves could like to <span style="color: darkorange">have lots of kids</span>, I don't recall anything saying they don't. Just because they live a long time doesn't mean that a pregnancy last longer than 9 months like a human, you just assume it does because of the long life span. </p><p></p><p>Also, from Dragon Lance Tanis' son grew up to adulthood rather quickly, under 30 years. Granted he is 1/4 human, but he is mostly elven. By your theory he should have been a new born for 100 years. There is nothing to say, other than simpleton humor, that an elf will spend 80 years in "huggies" or that he even stays an infant for a long time. It could be that they grow as children rather quickly, say reaching the equivalent of our teenage years, as soon as 13-30 years, then drastically slowing down in terms of aging. Just because they don't start adventuring careers until after a hundred years doesn't mean they couldn't do so earlier and certainly doesn't make them lazy.</p><p></p><p>For all you know, perhaps they populated the whole of the world long before the first human ever set sight on the world. Perhaps in that time they developed advanced technology, like forging metal or whatever, and then hoarded that knowledge to themselves. Then, over the following centuries they decided to gift the lands they deemed unworthy, plains, desserts, mountains etc, to the humans and other races and took the forests for themselves. Now you have an advanced society that doesn't share technology, much like the Vulcans in Star Trek Enterprise (they made he humans learn it for themselves) who chose the best and most lush forests as their home. They have no want for food because the lazy 1,000 year old 5th druid and the semi lazy 600 year old 3rd level cleric have provide for many through prayer and druid powers (by the way, I would suspect that a 1,000 year old elf might just be a tad higher level than 5th). They have advanced technology, but haven't had a need to really craft anything for centuries and they chose to keep to themselves and observe the outside world rather than interfere with it. They were there before the humans came and they will be there long after the humans have killed each other.</p><p></p><p>Obviously you are a city person, I can tell by your lack of love for the outdoors. 99% of the people in Minnesota would love to live in a nice cabin away from the world, deep in a forest, bugs and all. Actually, good thing that you don't live in a fantasy world because you would inflict hate crimes on the elves and plague them with your racism. Seriously, if this is the best you have to offer on why the elves are dying out, I think you should go back to the drawing table.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DM-Rocco, post: 3578980, member: 14451"] Oh, this whole thread is just silly. You make a lot of assumptions about elves. Your whole argument revolves around the phrase, "Elves have the same problems as Humans." However, from what I have read, you miss the key point, just because they have the same problems as humans doesn't mean they resolve those problems the same way as a human counterpart might. An Elf Druid could make food grow in abundance with little effort and low level, now they have time to frolic and dance, really, that there ruins your whole argument, but let's explore a little more. Water in the forests is not always stagnate, today's society has done that to most of our drinking water, not nature, although nature can, just not as frequently as you seem to think.. Elves could like to [color=darkorange]have lots of kids[/color], I don't recall anything saying they don't. Just because they live a long time doesn't mean that a pregnancy last longer than 9 months like a human, you just assume it does because of the long life span. Also, from Dragon Lance Tanis' son grew up to adulthood rather quickly, under 30 years. Granted he is 1/4 human, but he is mostly elven. By your theory he should have been a new born for 100 years. There is nothing to say, other than simpleton humor, that an elf will spend 80 years in "huggies" or that he even stays an infant for a long time. It could be that they grow as children rather quickly, say reaching the equivalent of our teenage years, as soon as 13-30 years, then drastically slowing down in terms of aging. Just because they don't start adventuring careers until after a hundred years doesn't mean they couldn't do so earlier and certainly doesn't make them lazy. For all you know, perhaps they populated the whole of the world long before the first human ever set sight on the world. Perhaps in that time they developed advanced technology, like forging metal or whatever, and then hoarded that knowledge to themselves. Then, over the following centuries they decided to gift the lands they deemed unworthy, plains, desserts, mountains etc, to the humans and other races and took the forests for themselves. Now you have an advanced society that doesn't share technology, much like the Vulcans in Star Trek Enterprise (they made he humans learn it for themselves) who chose the best and most lush forests as their home. They have no want for food because the lazy 1,000 year old 5th druid and the semi lazy 600 year old 3rd level cleric have provide for many through prayer and druid powers (by the way, I would suspect that a 1,000 year old elf might just be a tad higher level than 5th). They have advanced technology, but haven't had a need to really craft anything for centuries and they chose to keep to themselves and observe the outside world rather than interfere with it. They were there before the humans came and they will be there long after the humans have killed each other. Obviously you are a city person, I can tell by your lack of love for the outdoors. 99% of the people in Minnesota would love to live in a nice cabin away from the world, deep in a forest, bugs and all. Actually, good thing that you don't live in a fantasy world because you would inflict hate crimes on the elves and plague them with your racism. Seriously, if this is the best you have to offer on why the elves are dying out, I think you should go back to the drawing table. [/QUOTE]
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