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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Edena_of_Neith" data-source="post: 3589891" data-attributes="member: 2020">Ok, time to reply to this post, piece by piece.  You are quite right.  The 3rd Edition Player's Handbook gives the basic stats of the race, not any setting or situational modifiers.    If you look at what I've been writing, and consider the historical posts by others, you'll see something very fundamental:  The elves can get caught up in *larger events.*  And these larger events can whelm the elves, fundamentally altering them or even destroying them.  (In this case, the larger event first altered, then destroyed old Delrune, and saw the rise of Haldendreeva.)  *Larger events* are a commonplace occurance in our real world, and examples are numerous and some are given in posts by others in this thread.  Larger events are also commonplace in the official settings and their histories, and in home campaigns, including most I played in.  This does not mean ALL home settings are swept by larger events.  It does not mean the elves are doomed.  It could mean that an elven nation like Delrune, might be in trouble if larger events involving war came sweeping their way.  I would argue that any ECL 0 race, including the human race, has the same problem, especially if the campaign is truly High Fantasy, such as Dragonlance.  In Dragonlance, we see the world devastated by the Cataclysm.  Then it is actually sterilized by Raistlin, but Tasslehoff alters time so this does not happen.  Then Father Chaos returns and Krynn is nearly destroyed by him.  Then Takhisis whisks the planet away and it nearly becomes her private playground for the rest of eternity.  In this kind of situation, ECL 0 races are going to have a hard time.  Ansalon was depopulated, humans and elves and all, by the repeated disasters and wars.  If you go with many 'classic' conceptions of elves, unfortunately (you know what I mean ...) the elves are unable to cope with the larger events and are destroyed by them, whereas humanity is better able to cope and adapt and survives.  You do not have to go with any concept of elves but your own.  So I cannot argue elves are doomed, in your home campaign!  But they sure are having a hard time of it in the official settings.  Take a good long look at the mess they are in, on Aebrinis, Athas, Krynn, Oerth, Toril, in Ravenloft, and in Wildspace. And it is mostly because they cannot adapt, cannot cope, or have lousy leadership, few numbers, and a lack of determination and persistence ... or all of the above.</blockquote>

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