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Message: <blockquote data-quote="pming" data-source="post: 8327979" data-attributes="member: 45197">Hiya!Which is totally fine. Some folks do if it doesn't help them run a better game that they want to run. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />No. I tried to get this across upthread: the individual is NOT the determining factor of what is "lawful" or "evil" or whatever; that's defined in the Rule Books.PLEASE NOTE: I USE THE 1e AD&D ALIGNMENT DESCRIPTIONS! The ones in the 5e PHB are...uh... less than useful; I find them either confusing or outright wrong. So, going forward, that's my basis.Here's the description from 1e DMG, page 23:"Law And Chaos: The opposition here is between organized groups andindividuals. That is, law dictates that order and organization is necessaryand desirable, while chaos holds to the opposite view. Law generallysupports the group as more important than the individual, while chaospromotes the individual over the group"."Good And Evil: Basically stated, the tenets of good are human rights, or inthe case of AD&D, creature rights. Each creature is entitled to life, relativefreedom, and the prospect of happiness. Cruelty and suffering are undesirable.Evil, on the other hand, does not concern itself with rights orhappiness; purpose is the determinant".With those definitions in place, we can continue...Yes. Irrelevant if we are ignoring G/N/E.Not even a bit chaotic. An incompetent person would likely put the group/society/organization/etc at risk...this is 'bad', so needs to be fixed. If there were no rules/laws for expelling someone...then the Lawful person would go through the proper means of getting a rule/law ratified that would then allow this.Yes, but that has nothing to do with, well, anything other than the Chaotic personal feelings/belief. I fail to see how this is somehow an example of something a Chaotic person "shouldn't do". Problems with people a the table...not the Alignment system. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />I play Elven societies as CG. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> The usefulness of the Alignment system is for the DM to get an nice, big, birds eye view of "the gist of the character/monster". I mean, if you present two DM's with a bad guy. You tell one DM "Nellmastur is trying to take over the city. He's Lawful Evil", and you tell the other DM the description of ... "Nellmastur is trying to take over the city. He's Chaotic Evil". ...and that is ALL you have to go on, what's going to happen?The DM will start thinking of his methods, personality and all that other good stuff of HOW he would go about trying to achieve his goal of taking over the city. After the campaign, you could talk to the Players and DM's and find that both had, in all likelihood, quite different campaign experiences! Why? "LE" and "CE" are descriptions that intone a general "personality method of life".That's why Alignment is useful to me. If it's the other way around... I have a full page or two of description about Nellmastur, his desires, history, likes, dislikes, methods, etc...but I do not have his Alignment...I can then give him one because I just read all about him. It doesn't matter if Nellmastur firmly believes that him taking over the city is "for the greater Good and will improve the lives of everyone!"...if he tries to accomplish those goals by killing, torturing, public executions, draconian laws that change based on his word alone, confiscation of all wealth to be distributed as he sees fit, and forced conscription of all citizens between 13 and 50 years of age....he is NOT going to be "Lawful Good". The rules of the multiverse don't care about your particular feelings or views on what is/isn't "right or wrong". (see my copy/pasted 1e DMG bits above... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> ).^_^Paul L. Ming</blockquote>

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