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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 8329854" data-attributes="member: 23751">It doesn't say all orcs. It just talks about the default orcs.&nbsp; Other orcs exist and they don't have to follow Gruumsh.No it doesn't.&nbsp; You had one hard wired plane that got re-wired and became hard wired to Mechanus.&nbsp; Hard wiring doesn't equate to permanent and unchanging.&nbsp; It just makes it more difficult to change, and it's very, very, VERY rare for a plane to shift like that..................because of the hard wiring.Show me where all killing = evil.&nbsp; It never has in D&amp;D, so I'm not sure where you're going to find that.No.&nbsp; I said subjective morality doesn't count.&nbsp; I view cannibalism as evil.&nbsp; Some tribes in the Amazon still eat people and view it as normal and good.&nbsp; In D&amp;D, which is based on Western morality and has made that Western morality objective, it wouldn't matter if a cannibal viewed cannibalism as good.&nbsp; It would still be evil.&nbsp; Western morality doesn't view those types of killing I mentioned as evil, so in D&amp;D they objectively aren't.&nbsp; I wouldn't classify them as good, either, but they aren't evil.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 8329854, member: 23751"] It doesn't say all orcs. It just talks about the default orcs. Other orcs exist and they don't have to follow Gruumsh. No it doesn't. You had one hard wired plane that got re-wired and became hard wired to Mechanus. Hard wiring doesn't equate to permanent and unchanging. It just makes it more difficult to change, and it's very, very, VERY rare for a plane to shift like that..................because of the hard wiring. Show me where all killing = evil. It never has in D&D, so I'm not sure where you're going to find that. No. I said subjective morality doesn't count. I view cannibalism as evil. Some tribes in the Amazon still eat people and view it as normal and good. In D&D, which is based on Western morality and has made that Western morality objective, it wouldn't matter if a cannibal viewed cannibalism as good. It would still be evil. Western morality doesn't view those types of killing I mentioned as evil, so in D&D they objectively aren't. I wouldn't classify them as good, either, but they aren't evil. [/QUOTE]

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