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<blockquote data-quote="Helldritch" data-source="post: 8329991" data-attributes="member: 6855114">If we retrack the thread to faithless cleric then....A cleric must follow an ethos. If not a god, then he must follow an.... you guessed it ! An alignment! For a LG cleric it means that you will have to follow the precepts of LG. The same goes on for the other alignment. A philosophy might work given a generous DM but I think it is beyond the scope of the game's actual stance of what it can actually do.The&nbsp; clerics following an alignment will have to live and preach by this alignment. This means that the cleric would.be hard pressed to preach one thing while actually believing something entirely the opposite. It might work for a short while, but at some point, when does preaching becomes belief? And divine magic comes from belief.&nbsp; So preaching something you do not believe and act as if you actually believe will, eventually, make you believe what you ate preaching. Much like a self brainwash... So unless our cleric is infiltrating an enemy church, if he is not following a god he might end up becoming exactly what he was trying to undermine! Remember that for a godless cleric, belief is what gives him his divine abilities. At some point,&nbsp; preaching a different ethos or set of beliefs will affect him. A god will not be there to shield him or her from the influence of the heathens. There was a kind of clerics in the Book of Vile Darkness that were stealing divine magic from the gods but I never played with that option...</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Helldritch, post: 8329991, member: 6855114"] If we retrack the thread to faithless cleric then.... A cleric must follow an ethos. If not a god, then he must follow an.... you guessed it ! An alignment! For a LG cleric it means that you will have to follow the precepts of LG. The same goes on for the other alignment. A philosophy might work given a generous DM but I think it is beyond the scope of the game's actual stance of what it can actually do. The clerics following an alignment will have to live and preach by this alignment. This means that the cleric would.be hard pressed to preach one thing while actually believing something entirely the opposite. It might work for a short while, but at some point, when does preaching becomes belief? And divine magic comes from belief. So preaching something you do not believe and act as if you actually believe will, eventually, make you believe what you ate preaching. Much like a self brainwash... So unless our cleric is infiltrating an enemy church, if he is not following a god he might end up becoming exactly what he was trying to undermine! Remember that for a godless cleric, belief is what gives him his divine abilities. At some point, preaching a different ethos or set of beliefs will affect him. A god will not be there to shield him or her from the influence of the heathens. There was a kind of clerics in the Book of Vile Darkness that were stealing divine magic from the gods but I never played with that option... [/QUOTE]

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