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<blockquote data-quote="Helldritch" data-source="post: 8330016" data-attributes="member: 6855114">Yep, but without a god to guide the cleric; an infiltrated cleric might get corrupted by the very ethos he is trying to infiltrate. With a god, whenever you pray, you know that something greater is giving you your powers. Without a God, you access your power through sheer belief. An infiltrating cleric will/might get &quot;tempted&quot; by the teachings of this ethos he is trying to infiltrate.A god offers some protection from outside influence, a simple ethos do not. At least this is how I imagine things.Edit:&quot; Maybe my view is biased by the fact that I come from a much older edition where a cleric had his spells granted directly from his god!.1st and 2nd level spells were obtained through sheer beliefs, but 3rd and 4th were granted by a Solar, 5th by a demigod or higher. 6th by a lesser god and 7th by a greater god.It was a good reason for a cleric to spread the beliefs of his god as only a greater god could grant 7th level spells. There powerful your god, the stronger you would become.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Helldritch, post: 8330016, member: 6855114"] Yep, but without a god to guide the cleric; an infiltrated cleric might get corrupted by the very ethos he is trying to infiltrate. With a god, whenever you pray, you know that something greater is giving you your powers. Without a God, you access your power through sheer belief. An infiltrating cleric will/might get "tempted" by the teachings of this ethos he is trying to infiltrate. A god offers some protection from outside influence, a simple ethos do not. At least this is how I imagine things. Edit:" Maybe my view is biased by the fact that I come from a much older edition where a cleric had his spells granted directly from his god!. 1st and 2nd level spells were obtained through sheer beliefs, but 3rd and 4th were granted by a Solar, 5th by a demigod or higher. 6th by a lesser god and 7th by a greater god. It was a good reason for a cleric to spread the beliefs of his god as only a greater god could grant 7th level spells. There powerful your god, the stronger you would become. [/QUOTE]

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