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<blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 8330248" data-attributes="member: 87792">That depends how active the gods were - and the relationship of the gods to their flock. There's at least one Jewish midrach where logic trumps G-d in the real world despite G-d making their opinion known through miracles.I'd be curious here as to which church and what exactly happened.But that, if it was the Catholics wasn't about the status of the priest. It was about the actual sacrament. The limit case here is that <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athanasius_of_Alexandria#Education" target="_blank">St. Athanasius</a> as a kid managed to carry out real baptisms that were recognised by the Roman Catholic Church when he and his friends were playing pretend. Now it's possible to mess up the baptism by messing up the forms (although you have to go considerably further than &quot;creator, sanctifier, and redeemer&quot; in your Trinitarian blessings to do so). You did. <a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/the-problem-with-evil-or-what-if-we-dont-use-alignments.681085/post-8330120" target="_blank">Literally</a>. (&quot;they are said they get to do them because of their exemplary faith or perfection&quot;)A lot depends on how active the deities are. In Eberron the deities may not even exist. In the Realms it seems Mystra manifests every ten minutes or so.It depends what the God is and what their relationship to their worshippers and to their church is. And who actually sends the visions.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Neonchameleon, post: 8330248, member: 87792"] That depends how active the gods were - and the relationship of the gods to their flock. There's at least one Jewish midrach where logic trumps G-d in the real world despite G-d making their opinion known through miracles. I'd be curious here as to which church and what exactly happened. But that, if it was the Catholics wasn't about the status of the [I]priest. [/I]It was about the [I]actual sacrament[/I]. The limit case here is that [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athanasius_of_Alexandria#Education']St. Athanasius[/URL] as a kid managed to carry out real baptisms that were recognised by the Roman Catholic Church when he and his friends were playing pretend. Now it's possible to mess up the baptism by messing up the forms (although you have to go considerably further than "creator, sanctifier, and redeemer" in your Trinitarian blessings to do so). You did. [URL='https://www.enworld.org/threads/the-problem-with-evil-or-what-if-we-dont-use-alignments.681085/post-8330120']Literally[/URL]. ("they are said they get to do them because of their exemplary faith or perfection") A lot depends on how active the deities are. In Eberron the deities may not even exist. In the Realms it seems Mystra manifests every ten minutes or so. It depends what the God is and what their relationship to their worshippers and to their church is. And who actually sends the visions. [/QUOTE]

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