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<blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 8330448" data-attributes="member: 87792">I will do that as soon as you show me the meaningful number of people helped by having alignment as a system in the game. Please. Show me those surveys you have. Or is this simply you wanting to put conditions on other people that you can not fulfil yourself.If a system does not actively help then it is harmful - it takes up space and time. So. I've shown it to be morally toxic, and, that it is trivial to produce a better system for what its few defenders claim it does well.And I've said what would satisfy me - making it as optional as feats. Meaning that it didn't exist as grit in my statblocks.Show me one? Or is this you setting challenges you know you can't meet?So do you have a single shred of evidence to show anything else that exists&nbsp; beyond your own personal preferences and estimates?Or is this simply that you have neither a logical or moral argument so you've decided that all you can possibly do is try to put the entire burden of proof on the opposition because you have nothing else to offer? Pots and kettles spring to mind here. I've given moral arguments. I've given better systems that do what the people who like alignment claim it does - so if that's what's wanted then why not replace alignment with a better system.Again pots and kettles. You have no meaningful evidence. Yet you are dismissive and claiming you represent some larger group of opinions.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Neonchameleon, post: 8330448, member: 87792"] I will do that as soon as you show me the meaningful number of people [I]helped[/I] by having alignment as a system in the game. Please. Show me those surveys you have. Or is this simply you wanting to put conditions on other people that you can not fulfil yourself. If a system [I]does not actively help[/I] then it is harmful - it takes up space and time. So. I've shown it to be morally toxic, and, that it is [I]trivial[/I] to produce a better system for what its few defenders claim it does well. And I've said what would satisfy me - making it as optional as feats. Meaning that it didn't exist as grit in my statblocks. Show me one? Or is this you setting challenges you know you can't meet? So do you have a single shred of evidence to show anything else that exists beyond your own personal preferences and estimates? Or is this simply that you have neither a logical or moral argument so you've decided that all you can possibly do is try to put the entire burden of proof on the opposition because you have nothing else to offer? Pots and kettles spring to mind here. I've given moral arguments. I've given better systems that do what the people who like alignment claim it does - so if that's what's wanted then why not replace alignment with a better system. Again pots and kettles. You have no meaningful evidence. Yet you are dismissive and claiming you represent some larger group of opinions. [/QUOTE]

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