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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Faolyn" data-source="post: 8331070" data-attributes="member: 6915329">So what you're saying is, you are capable of making up anything but not motivation, unless there's an alignment attached.So please go tell that to Cadence and Oofta, who have said "Are the other RPGs relevant to D&D? Are all of the other RPGs extant right now as popular as D&D?" and "Yes but if you look at the number of people playing TTRPGs, most people are playing a game with alignment because most people are playing D&D."Go on. Tell them that.Also, saying that something I did is a fallacy--which it wasn't, because I wasn't saying that more people play in games that have no alignment, just that most games don't have alignments--doesn't mean that the claim is wrong.So from your position as a DM, the orc hunters were monsters, not people/NPCs.But people kill orcs because they're orcs. Please stop claiming fallacies until you learn what they actually do.I have shown you the laziness, when it means that you are (a) treating all or most people of a specific race as having the same alignment, because the book says so, and (b) treating all people of a specific alignment as acting the same, which you did when you said what a chaotic evil creature would do when captured.You said "Are they generally a great enemy of all, or are they just another race with good and bad, if a more bad than other races." So you clearly said "some orcs are good, some orcs are bad, but more bad than other races." If that's not what you meant, then you need to write more clearly. (This is also a good argument for getting rid of killing-based XP gain, but that's for another thread.)You certainly didn't say you agreed with them. Your quote that I posted was the entirety of your response to them about it. And who said that the orcs you encountered in my hypothetical example were evil?Answer: you did. When you assumed the orcs were evil. And do you think that it's a good thing <a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/the-problem-with-evil-or-what-if-we-dont-use-alignments.681085/page-38#post-8330786" target="_blank">You wrote: "Maybe he gives that answer and the PCs don't accept it and continue interrogation." </a>This, for a hypothetical orc that was out hunting game animals and got mad when you ruined the hunt.So which response do you pick?And since there are multiple possible responses from which to pick, how is having Chaotic Evil in their stats better than having a sentence-long description that flat-out explains what they are like?Again, stop using the names of fallacies unless you're actually going to use them correctly.You know what? Never mind. Umbran has already redtexted some people for being toxic, so I'm not going to continue in this thread.</blockquote>

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