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<blockquote data-quote="transmission89" data-source="post: 8321886" data-attributes="member: 6688441">Point: Tolkien’s Orcs were a stand in for a real world ethnicity, specifically East Asian.My claim: They were not.That is what a rebuttal is. “To claim OR prove that (evidence or an accusation) is false.&nbsp; So clearly it stands as a rebuttal. Which still makes it not a fallacy.Certainly, I am in agreement with you that the descriptive language a lot of the time evokes wider culture racially motivated fears of different physicality. As was rife in all manners of literature. But not utilising them as a stand in as claimed.&nbsp;I don’t agree with any of the racial vocabulary used, I don’t endorse it, I stand against it when it is used or implied today. But I don’t seek to criticise unfairly from a modern perspective historical figures without application of context.Tolkein’s Orcs were his fallen angels, inspired by his readings of myth and legends&nbsp; (despite the hurtful language used as an aid to describe their physicality).D&amp;D Orcs were obviously inspired by this, to be used as a monster in game, regardless of original literary inspiration, in such a way that, the origins have reached a point of irrelevance if their origins cause discomfort.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="transmission89, post: 8321886, member: 6688441"] Point: Tolkien’s Orcs were a stand in for a real world ethnicity, specifically East Asian. My claim: They were not. That is what a rebuttal is. “To claim OR prove that (evidence or an accusation) is false. So clearly it stands as a rebuttal. Which still makes it not a fallacy. Certainly, I am in agreement with you that the descriptive language a lot of the time evokes wider culture racially motivated fears of different physicality. As was rife in all manners of literature. But not utilising them as a stand in as claimed. I don’t agree with any of the racial vocabulary used, I don’t endorse it, I stand against it when it is used or implied today. But I don’t seek to criticise unfairly from a modern perspective historical figures without application of context. Tolkein’s Orcs were his fallen angels, inspired by his readings of myth and legends (despite the hurtful language used as an aid to describe their physicality). D&D Orcs were obviously inspired by this, to be used as a monster in game, regardless of original literary inspiration, in such a way that, the origins have reached a point of irrelevance if their origins cause discomfort. [/QUOTE]

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