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The problem with Evil races is not what you think
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<blockquote data-quote="Aging Bard" data-source="post: 8322966" data-attributes="member: 7030944"><p>It is personal (an attack, to be clear), you know it is, and the title is not antagonistic. Stop the passive aggressiveness.</p><p></p><p>Appeal to Authority is a fallacy. And I have a Master's degree. So what?</p><p></p><p>No I do not, and I never said that. You are wrong.</p><p></p><p>No I do not, and I never said that. Again you are wrong.</p><p></p><p>This is wordsmithing</p><p></p><p>This shows me that you did not read what I wrote. The problem is <em>people</em> making such vile interpretations. Games are unreal. People who want to assert such interpretations are the problem, and should be shunned. If you are unable to separate the unreal game from your feelings among players of good faith, then that is your problem, not the game's problem. But as I said, lots of players cannot be taken at good faith, and their toxic influence confuses player feelings and game objectives. This is a very real problem, which is why toxic players needs to be ejected. Playing in a setting with ethical problems is fine as long as the players understand that the setting is problematic and act accordingly. Now you not wanting to play in such a setting is your choice and is fine, but without any conflict what are you fighting? Several commentators have suggested undead or other clearly Evil monsters. That's also fine, but it's boring. The greatest monsters are evil humans. If you are uncomfortable with the reality of humans in a <em>completely unreal setting</em>, then I don't know what to say. As I said, it's a matter of trust. If you can't trust your group to understand the unrealness of the game (i.e. they are getting off on racism, sexism, etc.), the you need a different group. Based upon your final comment, you have the right group!</p><p></p><p>I did not do this. Race = species, and most RPG players know this. Changing the terminology is fine with me, but so is not changing it, as I am fine with abstract definitions.</p><p></p><p>Agreed, which I addressed and rejected. Again, did you read what I wrote?</p><p></p><p>Which was my point!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Aging Bard, post: 8322966, member: 7030944"] It is personal (an attack, to be clear), you know it is, and the title is not antagonistic. Stop the passive aggressiveness. Appeal to Authority is a fallacy. And I have a Master's degree. So what? No I do not, and I never said that. You are wrong. No I do not, and I never said that. Again you are wrong. This is wordsmithing This shows me that you did not read what I wrote. The problem is [I]people[/I] making such vile interpretations. Games are unreal. People who want to assert such interpretations are the problem, and should be shunned. If you are unable to separate the unreal game from your feelings among players of good faith, then that is your problem, not the game's problem. But as I said, lots of players cannot be taken at good faith, and their toxic influence confuses player feelings and game objectives. This is a very real problem, which is why toxic players needs to be ejected. Playing in a setting with ethical problems is fine as long as the players understand that the setting is problematic and act accordingly. Now you not wanting to play in such a setting is your choice and is fine, but without any conflict what are you fighting? Several commentators have suggested undead or other clearly Evil monsters. That's also fine, but it's boring. The greatest monsters are evil humans. If you are uncomfortable with the reality of humans in a [I]completely unreal setting[/I], then I don't know what to say. As I said, it's a matter of trust. If you can't trust your group to understand the unrealness of the game (i.e. they are getting off on racism, sexism, etc.), the you need a different group. Based upon your final comment, you have the right group! I did not do this. Race = species, and most RPG players know this. Changing the terminology is fine with me, but so is not changing it, as I am fine with abstract definitions. Agreed, which I addressed and rejected. Again, did you read what I wrote? Which was my point! [/QUOTE]
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