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<blockquote data-quote="Doug McCrae" data-source="post: 8325649" data-attributes="member: 21169">Tolkien Letter #210 (1958):The Orcs are definitely stated to be corruptions of the 'human' form seen in Elves and Men. They are (or were) squat, broad, flat-nosed, sallow-skinned, with wide mouths and slant eyes: in fact degraded and repulsive versions of the (to Europeans) least lovely Mongol-types.For an interpretation of &quot;Mongol-types&quot; by Dimitra Fimi see my <a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/the-problem-with-evil-races-is-not-what-you-think.680980/page-2#post-8320885" target="_blank">previous post upthread</a>. It most likely has the same sense as the outdated racial classification &quot;Mongoloid&quot;, which refers to East Asian peoples.<a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/why-d-d-is-not-just-tolkien.595433/page-20#post-8241921" target="_blank">Post from an older thread</a> arguing that the D&amp;D goblin is based on the goblins in JRR Tolkien's The Hobbit (1937). In Tolkien's Middle-earth, orcs, goblins, and hobgoblins are the same type of being. The Hobbit: &quot;Orc is not an English word. It occurs in one or two places but is usually translated goblin (or hobgoblin for the larger kinds).&quot;Artwork for the hobgoblin entry in the AD&amp;D 1e Monster Manual (1977). The armour appears to be based on that of a Japanese samurai:[ATTACH=full]139454[/ATTACH]Selected part of the artwork for the goblin entry in the D&amp;D 5e Monster Manual (2014). Note the yellow-ish skin and East Asian hairstyle:[ATTACH=full]139458[/ATTACH]Selected part of the artwork for the hobgoblin entry in the D&amp;D 5e Monster Manual (2014). Note the Japanese samurai-style armour and East Asian hairstyle:[ATTACH=full]139456[/ATTACH]</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Doug McCrae, post: 8325649, member: 21169"] Tolkien Letter #210 (1958): [INDENT]The Orcs are definitely stated to be corruptions of the 'human' form seen in Elves and Men. They are (or were) squat, broad, flat-nosed, sallow-skinned, with wide mouths and slant eyes: in fact degraded and repulsive versions of the (to Europeans) least lovely Mongol-types.[/INDENT] For an interpretation of "Mongol-types" by Dimitra Fimi see my [URL='https://www.enworld.org/threads/the-problem-with-evil-races-is-not-what-you-think.680980/page-2#post-8320885']previous post upthread[/URL]. It most likely has the same sense as the outdated racial classification "Mongoloid", which refers to East Asian peoples. [URL='https://www.enworld.org/threads/why-d-d-is-not-just-tolkien.595433/page-20#post-8241921']Post from an older thread[/URL] arguing that the D&D goblin is based on the goblins in JRR Tolkien's [I]The Hobbit[/I] (1937). In Tolkien's Middle-earth, orcs, goblins, and hobgoblins are the same type of being. [I]The Hobbit[/I]: "[I]Orc [/I]is not an English word. It occurs in one or two places but is usually translated [I]goblin [/I](or [I]hobgoblin [/I]for the larger kinds)." Artwork for the hobgoblin entry in the [I]AD&D 1e Monster Manual[/I] (1977). The armour appears to be based on that of a Japanese samurai: [ATTACH type="full" alt="01.png"]139454[/ATTACH] Selected part of the artwork for the goblin entry in the [I]D&D 5e Monster Manual[/I] (2014). Note the yellow-ish skin and East Asian hairstyle: [ATTACH type="full" alt="02b.png"]139458[/ATTACH] Selected part of the artwork for the hobgoblin entry in the [I]D&D 5e Monster Manual[/I] (2014). Note the Japanese samurai-style armour and East Asian hairstyle: [ATTACH type="full" alt="03.png"]139456[/ATTACH] [/QUOTE]

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