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<blockquote data-quote="transmission89" data-source="post: 8328531" data-attributes="member: 6688441"><p>My apologies, I missed the words alt and racist in that when using that language when typing so understood why it’s been received like that and not my intention (I was initially confused as to why you were asking me to be polite regarding alt right racists)</p><p></p><p>People keep bringing up that quote like I’ve not already quoted and critiqued it for my part so I shan’t repeat the points as the distinction is being missed and I’m not interested in continuing in circles.</p><p></p><p>The discussion around intention is not the same as a car at all. We are talking about actual, objectifiable harm with regards to a car crash.</p><p></p><p>I know what the response will be, suffice to say I disagree with that premise. Because who’s the arbiter of what qualifies? Well it’s the individual. It cannot be stated that it does objective harm because I know I have watched discussions by, have gamed with and and am friends with enough people of all walks of life that also disagree with the assertions being made.</p><p></p><p>When I speak of not intended, I mean just that. And what is not intended to offend and be fine can change as society and values change and become not fine.</p><p></p><p>There are 7 billion people on the planet. Someone, somewhere will take umbridge with a piece of creative expression. On an individual level, you’ve got to decide who’s opinions are worth it to you (for example, some drag queens on Rupaul receiving comments on Twitter). I could think of numerous things that offend me and my sensibilities, does that make them harmful? For example, the new Vistanii in the New Ravenloft book. That was created with sensitivity readers, best intentions etc. As someone of Romany descent, I find the creative whitewashing and presentation offensive to me. But again, it’s subjective.</p><p>Note, that this is obviously different from creative works that set out to offend.</p><p></p><p>And with regards to telling people, in fact, if you read properly what I wrote, you’ll see I said quite the opposite. That the “relevance” is subjective to the individual, and their group. And that as always, the table space is that place and I wouldn’t presume to dictate to other tables what is ok for their table.</p><p></p><p>What I was saying, is that the difference in opinion is not solely along specific minority lines and so shouldn’t presented as a fact. And this is the presumption and condescension I objected to. THIS IS NOT TO SAY THAT PEOPLE OF THOSE SPECIFIC MINORITIES, OR OTHERS WHO BELIEVE THAT IT IS OFFENSIVE, WHO DO FEEL THIS WAY ARE NOT ENTITLED TO FEEL THE WAY THEY FEEL, OR BELIEVE THAT THIS IS THE CASE. I feel the need to capitalise this because clearly, a lot of what I have said has been missed etc. Over and over again I have stated, do what is right for your table.</p><p></p><p>This does not mean, that on the Internet, on a place specifically designed to discuss opinions, that I have to agree with your opinion or even think it’s a good idea with what is right at thetable, and vice versa.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="transmission89, post: 8328531, member: 6688441"] My apologies, I missed the words alt and racist in that when using that language when typing so understood why it’s been received like that and not my intention (I was initially confused as to why you were asking me to be polite regarding alt right racists) People keep bringing up that quote like I’ve not already quoted and critiqued it for my part so I shan’t repeat the points as the distinction is being missed and I’m not interested in continuing in circles. The discussion around intention is not the same as a car at all. We are talking about actual, objectifiable harm with regards to a car crash. I know what the response will be, suffice to say I disagree with that premise. Because who’s the arbiter of what qualifies? Well it’s the individual. It cannot be stated that it does objective harm because I know I have watched discussions by, have gamed with and and am friends with enough people of all walks of life that also disagree with the assertions being made. When I speak of not intended, I mean just that. And what is not intended to offend and be fine can change as society and values change and become not fine. There are 7 billion people on the planet. Someone, somewhere will take umbridge with a piece of creative expression. On an individual level, you’ve got to decide who’s opinions are worth it to you (for example, some drag queens on Rupaul receiving comments on Twitter). I could think of numerous things that offend me and my sensibilities, does that make them harmful? For example, the new Vistanii in the New Ravenloft book. That was created with sensitivity readers, best intentions etc. As someone of Romany descent, I find the creative whitewashing and presentation offensive to me. But again, it’s subjective. Note, that this is obviously different from creative works that set out to offend. And with regards to telling people, in fact, if you read properly what I wrote, you’ll see I said quite the opposite. That the “relevance” is subjective to the individual, and their group. And that as always, the table space is that place and I wouldn’t presume to dictate to other tables what is ok for their table. What I was saying, is that the difference in opinion is not solely along specific minority lines and so shouldn’t presented as a fact. And this is the presumption and condescension I objected to. THIS IS NOT TO SAY THAT PEOPLE OF THOSE SPECIFIC MINORITIES, OR OTHERS WHO BELIEVE THAT IT IS OFFENSIVE, WHO DO FEEL THIS WAY ARE NOT ENTITLED TO FEEL THE WAY THEY FEEL, OR BELIEVE THAT THIS IS THE CASE. I feel the need to capitalise this because clearly, a lot of what I have said has been missed etc. Over and over again I have stated, do what is right for your table. This does not mean, that on the Internet, on a place specifically designed to discuss opinions, that I have to agree with your opinion or even think it’s a good idea with what is right at thetable, and vice versa. [/QUOTE]
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