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<blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 6623371" data-attributes="member: 67338">OK, so first I like that the term gish has grown from &quot;1 type of gith yanki sword and magic character&quot; to &quot;People who use magic and martial power&quot; it makes it easier to have 1 group term for all of them.I think the eldritch knight single classed is a little odd... it doesn't have enough unique feel to become this editions swordmage (4e) but is also not wizard enough to be the 2e or 3e fighter/mage. When multi classed though the eldritch knight and arcane trickster are both great for gish builds... start level 1-3 as a fighter and take eldritch knight and there is your con save prof... at the cost of 2 levels where you are not playing what you want (unless your DM lets you start 3rd or higher) then take wizard levels and alternate. I saw a player of mine (who no longer plays with us) who toke the paladin oath of vengeance and multied it with valor blade bard up till 10th level (6/4) then took his 11th level and 12th level as wizard... because the wording of wizards gaining spells says they can learn a level they can cast, at 12th level his 2 new spells were 4th and 5th level... it really made him feel like a great gish... but he left that game and will most likely never come back, so even though the game made it to 14th level before we beat the main bad guy and had our happy ever after (not really but close) we never got to see him at 13th or 14th</blockquote>

[QUOTE="GMforPowergamers, post: 6623371, member: 67338"] OK, so first I like that the term gish has grown from "1 type of gith yanki sword and magic character" to "People who use magic and martial power" it makes it easier to have 1 group term for all of them. I think the eldritch knight single classed is a little odd... it doesn't have enough unique feel to become this editions swordmage (4e) but is also not wizard enough to be the 2e or 3e fighter/mage. When multi classed though the eldritch knight and arcane trickster are both great for gish builds... start level 1-3 as a fighter and take eldritch knight and there is your con save prof... at the cost of 2 levels where you are not playing what you want (unless your DM lets you start 3rd or higher) then take wizard levels and alternate. I saw a player of mine (who no longer plays with us) who toke the paladin oath of vengeance and multied it with valor blade bard up till 10th level (6/4) then took his 11th level and 12th level as wizard... because the wording of wizards gaining spells says they can learn a level they can cast, at 12th level his 2 new spells were 4th and 5th level... it really made him feel like a great gish... but he left that game and will most likely never come back, so even though the game made it to 14th level before we beat the main bad guy and had our happy ever after (not really but close) we never got to see him at 13th or 14th [/QUOTE]

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