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<blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 9461221" data-attributes="member: 93670">While that aligns extremely accurately with my experience in &quot;the old days&quot; of 2e &amp;3.x... I suspect that the unstated reason why the math gets called to question with terms like with terms like &quot;insufferable&quot; and &quot;uninteresting&quot; is for a completely different and entirely unreasonable situation.&nbsp; Yes there were times where the GM and players might talk over a partial rest that gives enough gas in the tank to reach a point where everyone feels that the PCs capable enough or not under an executioners axe while feeling like a full rest would be too much for whatever reason, but those don't fit terms like &quot;insufferable&quot; and &quot;uninteresting&quot; either.What does fit those kinds of terms were situations where someone said &quot;let's rest&quot; only to be told some variation of &quot;wtf no man it's horribly unsafe because of x y &amp; z details&quot; but decided to ignore all of that and force the GM's hand by calling their bluff.&nbsp; Once the GM's collaborative bluff got called the obvious next step is to engage in the worst rules lawyering in persuit of getting every last drop of recovery in service of running as close to a 5mwd as possible.&nbsp; Of course those kinds of players tended to annoy everyone at the table and often found themselves not being invited back after doing it enough.&nbsp; The unreasonable ability to say &quot; I don't care about x y or z let's take a rest&quot; without consequence or risk of backsliding is at the core of things.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="tetrasodium, post: 9461221, member: 93670"] While that aligns extremely accurately with my experience in "the old days" of 2e &3.x... I suspect that the unstated reason why the math gets called to question with terms like with terms like "insufferable" and "uninteresting" is for a completely different and entirely unreasonable situation. Yes there were times where the GM and players might talk over a partial rest that gives enough gas in the tank to reach a point where everyone feels that the PCs capable enough or not under an executioners axe while feeling like a full rest would be too much for whatever reason, but those don't fit terms like "insufferable" and "uninteresting" either. What [I]does[/I] fit those kinds of terms were situations where someone said "let's rest" only to be told some variation of "[I]wtf no man it's horribly unsafe because of x y & z details[/I]" but decided to ignore all of that and force the GM's hand by calling their bluff. Once the GM's collaborative bluff got called the obvious next step is to engage in the worst rules lawyering in persuit of getting every last drop of recovery in service of running as close to a 5mwd as possible. Of course those kinds of players tended to annoy everyone at the table and often found themselves not being invited back after doing it enough. The unreasonable ability to say " I don't care about x y [I]or[/I] z let's take a rest" without consequence or risk of backsliding is at the core of things. [/QUOTE]

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