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<blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 9503176" data-attributes="member: 93670"><a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/does-%E2%80%9Cwhack-a-mole%E2%80%9D-healing-really-happen-in-games.677252/post-8157047" target="_blank">Often</a> far more than double dipping since damage beyond zero just goes away.&nbsp; 2024 dmg almost has an optional rule that requires a spell like greater/lesser restoration★ but that rule is baked into the PCs never die thing.&nbsp; I feel like using half of&nbsp; that rule would just make the efforts to enshrine toontown over something like death at 0 all the more obvious.&nbsp; A lot of my 5e players have never played anything other than 5e so without a &quot;yes it's a valid way of playing, see page xx&quot; type shield they can join the game with no intention of adapting to that &amp; &quot;prove&quot; that it makes the game unfun or whatever by choosing to continue playing as if death saves &amp; yoyo healing were still available as a shield☆.I would very much prefer seeing a return to the old cure light/moderate/serious/critical spells over upcast a single spell and have tried including them at times, but the two standard curewounds/healing word with upcasting are so good that you run into the same self fulfilling <a href="https://www.britannica.com/topic/tree-spiking" target="_blank">tree spike </a>being carried by players&nbsp; who went in totally aware of the change &amp; claiming to be onboard★I'm not going to dig to find out what the specifics were.☆Kinda what I've seen a few times with similar efforts at fixing 5e's excess.&nbsp; The result is that the self fulfilling <a href="https://www.britannica.com/topic/tree-spiking" target="_blank">tree spike</a> enacted by the player gets used as a weapon against the &quot;killerGM&quot; or whatever.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="tetrasodium, post: 9503176, member: 93670"] [URL='https://www.enworld.org/threads/does-%E2%80%9Cwhack-a-mole%E2%80%9D-healing-really-happen-in-games.677252/post-8157047']Often[/URL] [I]far[/I] more than double dipping since damage beyond zero just goes away. 2024 dmg almost has an optional rule that requires a spell like greater/lesser restoration★ but that rule is baked into the PCs never die thing. I feel like using half of that rule would just make the efforts to enshrine toontown over something like death at 0 all the more obvious. A lot of my 5e players have [I]never[/I] played [I]anything[/I] other than 5e so without a "yes it's a valid way of playing, see page xx" type shield they can join the game with no intention of adapting to that & "prove" that it makes the game unfun or whatever by choosing to continue playing as if death saves & yoyo healing were still available as a shield[B]☆[/B]. I would very much prefer seeing a return to the old cure light/moderate/serious/critical spells over upcast a single spell and have tried including them at times, but the two standard curewounds/healing word with upcasting are so good that you run into the same self fulfilling [URL='https://www.britannica.com/topic/tree-spiking']tree spike [/URL]being carried by players who went in totally aware of the change & claiming to be onboard ★I'm not going to dig to find out what the specifics were. [B]☆[/B]Kinda what I've seen a few times with similar efforts at fixing 5e's excess. The result is that the self fulfilling [URL='https://www.britannica.com/topic/tree-spiking']tree spike[/URL] enacted by the player gets used as a weapon against the "killerGM" or whatever. [/QUOTE]

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