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Message: <blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 9509090" data-attributes="member: 42582">Well, as I've said, I don't think system is very closely correlated with immersion. Cthulhu Dark and Classic Traveller are pretty different, as far as mechanical procedures go. I think both can support immersive play.I am asking, What does "third person authoring of the character" mean? Who do you think is doing that? Whose play are you describing? It seems clear enough you don't think you're describing your own. So whose?I described the mechanic. [USER=7025508]@Crimson Longinus[/USER] labelled it "meta". I said that it might be the player giving it their all. Crimson Longinus then said it's not meta. I then described the same mechanic, the same way, and you decide that it's "meta". But how do you know it's not just the player giving it their all?I mean, in D&D a wizard can memorise a spell without having to make a roll. The player just declares that "it is done". Likewise for casting many spells - eg to cast a fly spell that has been memorised, the player of the wizard just declares "I cast it!"So why does a player spending a Plot Point to have their PC climb a wall count as "meta"? What is your criterion? I mean, "meta" is the description that you and [USER=7025508]@Crimson Longinus[/USER] are applying, not me.What does adding the Athletics bonus to the roll of a d20 correspond to in the fiction? What does rolling the d20 correspond to in the fiction? Suppose that it represents trying to climb, then what does the declaration "I climb the wall" correspond to?What does writing down a new hp number on a PC sheet, after the GM says how much damage you take, correspond to?I mean, these are the actual things that happen when mechanics are used.And why does a character spending a "Plot Point" to have their PC climb a cliff not count as 1:1. I mean, in the fiction the character sees the wall, and climbs it. At the table, the GM describes the situation, including Sheer Cliff d10; and the player notes their PC has Climbing d10 on their PC sheet, and spends a PP. Where is the absence of a 1:1 correspondence?</blockquote>

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