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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 9509803" data-attributes="member: 6801228">False Dichotomy. I have read stories where the Rules are part of the Fiction. Neither one has to &quot;Come first&quot; because they are the same thing. You may not like those stories, you may not even be aware of those stories. But they do exist. And your example is also poorly constructed. You posit that the rule saying a character leaping 10 ft &quot;bends the fiction&quot; but that is false. For example, if my fiction is set in a Wuxia Cultivation story, then a &quot;strong&quot; character being able to leap 10 ft isn't bending the fiction towards being less true to the tropes of those stories. It is actually far far too conservative depending on what we mean by &quot;strong&quot;, as a &quot;young master&quot; archetype from those stories should be able to trivially leap 30 or 40 ft. Or let us look at strong characters in the superhero genre. Can Black Panther or Captain America leap 10 ft straight up? Obviously yes. All this has done is, if we insist on being on Earth and using Earth gravity and the fiction of the game saying that an average NBA player can only leap 4 ft straight up... is tell us that the typically strong CHARACTER is stronger and has a better leap than the average NBA player. Because the fiction is not limited by the reality of Earth.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 9509803, member: 6801228"] False Dichotomy. I have read stories where the Rules are part of the Fiction. Neither one has to "Come first" because they are the same thing. You may not [I]like[/I] those stories, you may not even be [I]aware[/I] of those stories. But they do exist. And your example is also poorly constructed. You posit that the rule saying a character leaping 10 ft "bends the fiction" but that is false. For example, if my fiction is set in a Wuxia Cultivation story, then a "strong" character being able to leap 10 ft isn't bending the fiction towards being less true to the tropes of those stories. It is actually far far too conservative depending on what we mean by "strong", as a "young master" archetype from those stories should be able to trivially leap 30 or 40 ft. Or let us look at strong characters in the superhero genre. Can Black Panther or Captain America leap 10 ft straight up? Obviously yes. All this has done is, if we insist on being on Earth and using Earth gravity and the fiction of the game saying that an average NBA player can only leap 4 ft straight up... is tell us that the typically strong CHARACTER is stronger and has a better leap than the average NBA player. Because the fiction is not limited by the reality of Earth. [/QUOTE]

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