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Message: <blockquote data-quote="James Gasik" data-source="post: 9510849" data-attributes="member: 6877472">There's lots of things you can do in the current model of D&D that doesn't require a die roll.  You can jump a set amount based on your Strength, with an optional roll if the DM wishes to allow you to jump more.You can climb or swim automatically, unless the DM rules there are few handholds or the water is especially rough.  In most other systems, you'd have to roll to perform any of these feats.Casting a spell doesn't require a roll in most cases (but sometimes it does), but neither does parrying via the Defensive Duelist Feat.I could go on, but the absence or presence of a die roll doesn't mean something it trivially simple- it just means that the designers of the system felt that some things should be allowed to happen, to keep the game running smoothly.After all, we've seen what happens when WotC decides to get in the weeds of how complicated a task could be- just look at 3.5's systems for grappling and other combat maneuvers, for example.Streamlining the process might not be to some people's taste, but that's the choice that was made.  You don't have to like it, and nobody is forcing you to.You can accept, adapt, or pass on the current iteration of the game's rules, just as with every other iteration.  If you believe D&D peaked in 1974, for example, nothing someone who disagrees with you is going to make you suddenly like or accept 5e.  Or 4e.  Or 3e.  Or 2e.And the same holds true for people who like other versions.So at this point, is everyone just arguing to argue?  This is one of those debates that has no real end, it just goes dormant and resurfaces at another time.  Like is the Martial/Caster divide real, was there really a Hickman Revolution, Arneson vs. Gygax, what the Bard, Ranger (or any class for that matter) should be like, to multiclass or not, whether Monks are terrible or Katanas are the bestest weapon everer, Dogs vs. Cats, Tomayto or Tomahto, etc. etc..It all comes down to "this is what I prefer, and I think it's better than whatever other people like" lol.  And you know what?  It's ok to have preferences!And it's ok to gripe about them, but generating post after post of "you're wrong!" and "nuh uh!" isn't really making any headway, is it?</blockquote>

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