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<blockquote data-quote="tzor" data-source="post: 3578680" data-attributes="member: 12826">Ah, I love logic.&nbsp; It's a pitty it gets so badly abused by so many.&nbsp; Understanding that We're talking about astupid game for a moment, I get saddened by the people who limit the universe to what they think is their understanding of the world.&nbsp; The same thing happened in the late 19th century ... before relativity &amp;&nbsp; quantum mechanics.&nbsp; You realize that almost none of the things you use today are &quot;possible&quot; if you applied the realities of the 19th century world to them.&nbsp; Anyway, I would like to recall an old Tom Baker Doctor Who (in fact the last series he did as the doctor) series where there was a race that created things (both objects and structures) by thinking about them.&nbsp; The entire race acted as a vast computer because the process so warped space around it that only a living mind could adapt to the calculations.&nbsp; Now apply this idea by extension.&nbsp; If they could by logic alone create in the universe&nbsp; portal to another universe in order to vent off excess entrophy, one could logicaly extend it to any number of planes, from those containing energy (positive/negative) to those containing elemental forces.&nbsp; Structure from thought ... all logically derived.And that's the rub.&nbsp; Anyone who talks about the universe makes a whole lot of assumptions, including the fact that the universe exists at all.&nbsp; These assumptions are vital, otherwise you go down the path of philosophical insanity, but they are not guarenteed to be true.A Sherlock Homes (who Tom Baker once played ...) once noted, &quot;Once you have eliminated all the impossible, whatever remains, however unlikely, must be true.&quot;&nbsp; The persuit of science is often thought to be the increase in the things we know.&nbsp; This is wrong.&nbsp; The persuit of science is the increase in things we know we don't know yet.&nbsp; Every answer yields two or more new questions.&nbsp; And the quest continues.There are indeed stranger things on heaven and earth than are drempt of by your philosophy.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="tzor, post: 3578680, member: 12826"] Ah, I love logic. It's a pitty it gets so badly abused by so many. Understanding that [i]We're talking about astupid game[/i] for a moment, I get saddened by the people who limit the universe to what they think is their understanding of the world. The same thing happened in the late 19th century ... before relativity & quantum mechanics. You realize that almost none of the things you use today are "possible" if you applied the realities of the 19th century world to them. Anyway, I would like to recall an old Tom Baker Doctor Who (in fact the last series he did as the doctor) series where there was a race that created things (both objects and structures) by thinking about them. The entire race acted as a vast computer because the process so warped space around it that only a living mind could adapt to the calculations. Now apply this idea by extension. If they could by logic alone create in the universe portal to another universe in order to vent off excess entrophy, one could logicaly extend it to any number of planes, from those containing energy (positive/negative) to those containing elemental forces. Structure from thought ... all logically derived. And that's the rub. Anyone who talks about the universe makes a whole lot of assumptions, including the fact that the universe exists at all. These assumptions are vital, otherwise you go down the path of philosophical insanity, but they are not guarenteed to be true. A Sherlock Homes (who Tom Baker once played ...) once noted, "Once you have eliminated all the impossible, whatever remains, however unlikely, must be true." The persuit of science is often thought to be the increase in the things we know. This is wrong. The persuit of science is the increase in things we know we don't know yet. Every answer yields two or more new questions. And the quest continues. There are indeed stranger things on heaven and earth than are drempt of by your philosophy. [/QUOTE]

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