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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Quickleaf" data-source="post: 6177026" data-attributes="member: 20323">Yeah, it is up to each DM. My point was more along the lines of the old argument that "sense motive isn't detect lie, and diplomacy isn't charm person."Of course, this argument can be applied by extension to the elf vs. ogre tug-of-war. Like with insight, where I was pointing out the importance of details and just what a "success" means, you could argue that the elf succeeding looks different than the ogre succeeding. For example, the elf wins by feeding the ogre a bunch of rope, then when the lumbering ogre is off balance, the elf throws a coil of rope around a boulder for leverage and yanks with all his might. The ogre topples forward, and the elf collapses backward. The ogre wins by just yanking with sheer strength and no strategy. Depending on just how much the ogre wins by, the elf might end up face down in the dirt, with rope burns on his hands, or still clutching the rope as he is catapulted thru the air toward the ogre.Even in a straight Strength vs. Strength test, there is room for creatively interpreting the results of die rolls to explain the fiction.Of course of [MENTION=18333]Neechen[/MENTION]'s problem really is the swinginess of a d20, then the solution [MENTION=607]Klaus[/MENTION] and others have been saying is self-evident (though it does create some problems of its own).</blockquote>