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<blockquote data-quote="somekindofjerk" data-source="post: 2092013" data-attributes="member: 27631"><p>This is a big part of it right here. Back in the day, the Hero of a Thousand Faces ideas weren't the the focus of the films. Lucas incorporated alot of the ideas with some twists (i.e the father and the villin being the same person) because it resonates with audiences when you follow the pattern of half of western mythology, but at the end of the day the bottom line was cheesey fun. Lucas and others seem a bit hung-up on these thematic elements, and thus perceives the OT as something more than what is. This manifests as the new films lacking "heart," which is why I believe there are fewer memorable lines and why much of the humor feels forced. In the fans this manifests as disappoinment in the new films when held up against the built-up perception of the original films.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'd rather say the dialogue in old serials was dry. Not flowery, but it got the job done. The dialogue in the OT wasn't the best written, but it didn't tout itself as Grapes of Wrath. I think what happened is that as the scope of the movies grew more intentionally epic, someone--be it Lucas or whoever--thought that the dialogue's level of complexity had to be as well.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Agreed. We're missing the cynical, seen-it-all-already wise-guy. It seems all the characters are the playing the straight-man.</p><p></p><p>Now, that being said: I'm not trying to insult the fanbase. I loved the original trilogy. Disliked Menace--the focus of my ire being Anakin the moppet and Jar-Jar, though I will say that Jar-Jar instilled in me a greater appreciation for the ewoks. Liked Clones better, including comic-book Yoda (after he lifted the X-wing I just <em>knew</em> that he could totally flip out and not even care back in the day). I'm no film expert, and thus the views and opinions expressed herein are meant for entertainment purposes only. End of line.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="somekindofjerk, post: 2092013, member: 27631"] This is a big part of it right here. Back in the day, the Hero of a Thousand Faces ideas weren't the the focus of the films. Lucas incorporated alot of the ideas with some twists (i.e the father and the villin being the same person) because it resonates with audiences when you follow the pattern of half of western mythology, but at the end of the day the bottom line was cheesey fun. Lucas and others seem a bit hung-up on these thematic elements, and thus perceives the OT as something more than what is. This manifests as the new films lacking "heart," which is why I believe there are fewer memorable lines and why much of the humor feels forced. In the fans this manifests as disappoinment in the new films when held up against the built-up perception of the original films. I'd rather say the dialogue in old serials was dry. Not flowery, but it got the job done. The dialogue in the OT wasn't the best written, but it didn't tout itself as Grapes of Wrath. I think what happened is that as the scope of the movies grew more intentionally epic, someone--be it Lucas or whoever--thought that the dialogue's level of complexity had to be as well. Agreed. We're missing the cynical, seen-it-all-already wise-guy. It seems all the characters are the playing the straight-man. Now, that being said: I'm not trying to insult the fanbase. I loved the original trilogy. Disliked Menace--the focus of my ire being Anakin the moppet and Jar-Jar, though I will say that Jar-Jar instilled in me a greater appreciation for the ewoks. Liked Clones better, including comic-book Yoda (after he lifted the X-wing I just [I]knew[/I] that he could totally flip out and not even care back in the day). I'm no film expert, and thus the views and opinions expressed herein are meant for entertainment purposes only. End of line. [/QUOTE]
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