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<blockquote data-quote="Jeremy Ackerman-Yost" data-source="post: 2100712" data-attributes="member: 4720"><p>Meh. I didn't think it was that bad. Slimy and manipulative, yes, but not dripping with "evil." Just smarminess. He sounds like a politician. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> YMMV, and apparently does.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I vaguely remember reading somewhere that the grip was meant to reference Lee's history of fencing in movies, or something like that. And the whole "lightsaber forms" thing they bandied about in the lead-up to Episode 2 came from that. Perhaps our fencing geeks can tell us why a pistol grip would be appropriate to the reference? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> Or maybe film geeks. Did Chris Lee make a habit of using such swords in his earlier work?</p><p></p><p></p><p>It's just better drama to have directly engaged combatants, IMO. Plus, they already have "armchair swordsmen" (like myself <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f631.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":o" title="Eek! :o" data-smilie="9"data-shortname=":o" /> ) second-guessing their fighting. Without spending some exposition on the limitations of levitative fighting like that, people would see it in action and say, "well, geez, why doesn't Yoda just do X"</p><p></p><p></p><p>Well, he's not exactly spry most of the time in the prequels either. After AotC, a friend of mine commented that he liked how Yoda used that walking stick "eventhough he clearly doesn't need it." My reading was that he DOES need it. His body really is old and failing, but he can draw on the Force, for short periods, to transcend his physical limitations. "Luminous beings are we..." It's probably very taxing for him, physically and spiritually, so he wouldn't want to do it regularly. I have the notion in my head that he probably had to spend a lot of time meditating and recuperating from that brief fight.</p><p></p><p>Yes, I know I'm reading a lot into it. I do that with most movies, literature, and everything. Those little details are important to me for some reason. Heck, I used to have complicated notions for how my wizards prepare their material components at the time of spell preparation. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> Adds flavor.</p><p></p><p>My real gripe with that fight is that there was little dialogue between the principals (a fault of all the prequels, as some others here have already pointed out). The fights with Vader in the OT were always punctuated with comments and taunts that upped the emotional ante. The best we got in the new movies is Dooku's "Master Kenobi, you disappoint me..." bit. That was a nice line. I heard rumors at one point that there had been a line from Yoda when Dooku challenges him that went something like, "No interest in contests, do I have." Which, from Yoda, is sort of like smack-talk: "I am above your childish contests... punk." <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f60e.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":cool:" title="Cool :cool:" data-smilie="6"data-shortname=":cool:" /> </p><p></p><p>Besides, I'd love to get more of the history between Yoda and Dooku. Their apparent relationship does bring out another Fathers and Sons angle to the whole story. Ooh! Now I can play armchair psychologist, too! "So, Georgie. Tell me about your father..."</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jeremy Ackerman-Yost, post: 2100712, member: 4720"] Meh. I didn't think it was that bad. Slimy and manipulative, yes, but not dripping with "evil." Just smarminess. He sounds like a politician. :) YMMV, and apparently does. I vaguely remember reading somewhere that the grip was meant to reference Lee's history of fencing in movies, or something like that. And the whole "lightsaber forms" thing they bandied about in the lead-up to Episode 2 came from that. Perhaps our fencing geeks can tell us why a pistol grip would be appropriate to the reference? :) Or maybe film geeks. Did Chris Lee make a habit of using such swords in his earlier work? It's just better drama to have directly engaged combatants, IMO. Plus, they already have "armchair swordsmen" (like myself :o ) second-guessing their fighting. Without spending some exposition on the limitations of levitative fighting like that, people would see it in action and say, "well, geez, why doesn't Yoda just do X" Well, he's not exactly spry most of the time in the prequels either. After AotC, a friend of mine commented that he liked how Yoda used that walking stick "eventhough he clearly doesn't need it." My reading was that he DOES need it. His body really is old and failing, but he can draw on the Force, for short periods, to transcend his physical limitations. "Luminous beings are we..." It's probably very taxing for him, physically and spiritually, so he wouldn't want to do it regularly. I have the notion in my head that he probably had to spend a lot of time meditating and recuperating from that brief fight. Yes, I know I'm reading a lot into it. I do that with most movies, literature, and everything. Those little details are important to me for some reason. Heck, I used to have complicated notions for how my wizards prepare their material components at the time of spell preparation. :) Adds flavor. My real gripe with that fight is that there was little dialogue between the principals (a fault of all the prequels, as some others here have already pointed out). The fights with Vader in the OT were always punctuated with comments and taunts that upped the emotional ante. The best we got in the new movies is Dooku's "Master Kenobi, you disappoint me..." bit. That was a nice line. I heard rumors at one point that there had been a line from Yoda when Dooku challenges him that went something like, "No interest in contests, do I have." Which, from Yoda, is sort of like smack-talk: "I am above your childish contests... punk." :cool: Besides, I'd love to get more of the history between Yoda and Dooku. Their apparent relationship does bring out another Fathers and Sons angle to the whole story. Ooh! Now I can play armchair psychologist, too! "So, Georgie. Tell me about your father..." [/QUOTE]
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