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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Desdichado" data-source="post: 2110657" data-attributes="member: 2205">Has anyone on this thread said that, really, or are you just reacting to "net opinion" in general?  The Serge, or barsoomcore, or me, or anyone else who's been vocal in this thread have avoided making the argument that you're arguing against.  So, it seems as if you're arguing with yourself a bit.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />Besides, AMG and others on "your side" have consistently talked about Lucas and his level of control; how can everything bad about the franchise NOT be Lucas' fault if that's true?  Indeed, it's his level of control that's the big problem, because he's unwilling to stick with what he is good at; conceptualizing, managing, pushing the boundaries technically, etc. and farming out the aspects that he's not good at; dialogue and pacing.  It would still very much be his movie if he got another director and screenwriter involved, as he did on ESB and RotJ.  And I'm not sure what his reluctance is, frankly.  It's not like he's doing conceptual design artwork or anything like that.  I assume he recognizes that he's not qualified or talented enough in that area to do the job justice, so he hires folks like Doug Chiang, who are brilliant.But apparently, he doesn't see that he's also not talented enough to write really good screenplays from his really good sketches and ideas; his dialogue and pacing and general "human element" are weak.  But I think that he thinks otherwise.Beyond that, I'm not sure why you want to reduce movie discussion to "thumbs up" or "thumbs down."  Sure, Siskel and Ebert used that as a summary, but at the end of the day, any meaningfulness to their reviews was in the discussion, not in the final judgement.  I don't mind giving all the Star Wars movies a thumb's up, but that's not a very useful discussion, and it also hides the fact that with the more recent two movies in particular, that's a thumbs up, but with some serious reservations.</blockquote>

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