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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ankh-Morpork Guard" data-source="post: 2111342" data-attributes="member: 10079">And that means he doesn't recognize the areas we all agree he needs improvement in? I can't draw hands, but I keep trying. Does that mean I don't know that I can't draw hands and should just give up and let someone else do it? You know, if you just said bad and good instead of successful it'd be easy. Money DOES measure success, like it or not. For movies, these days at least, successful means they make money. So...yes, money does dictate whether or not a movie is successful. In fact, its the only objective way to measure success.Why is it a cop out? Honestly, its true. Empire doesn't fit in with the rest. But it doesn't mean that Lucas is incompetent as a director or writer. It can say, though, that Irvin Kershner is a better director than Lucas. I honestly believe Kershner is better, but that's opinion in the end, too. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Damn right. I won't argue that one bit. A New Hope really created the craze but Empire just sent it to an insanely new level. The point where we disagree here. I wouldn't say he failed miserably at all. While he may not have had the success that Empire did, Jedi didn't even have that. The debth that Empire has is just plain unique, and short of bringing back Kershner with a similar story, we're not ever going to get anything like that. But that doesn't mean I don't love the other movies.Its not a cop out to say Empire is the odd one among the movies. Its true. It IS the one that doesn't really fit in with the rest. But its also one of the very few sequels to live up to and surpass the first movie in its series. You're damn right it solidified Star Wars to what it is, but that still doesn't mean its not the odd one of the group.  Is it so hard to believe that I love all of the movies despite how different Empire is from the rest? Its not that I accept less than Lucas beacuse he's incompetent. When I sit and watch movies I don't even think about things like that. I just get caught up in them and don't notice the problems. Empire is my favorite movie overall, but I enjoy Luke vs. Vader round II in Jedi better. Not for the fight as much as for the banter in the fight. Sure, it isn't "I am your father", but its good. The trench run alone in A New Hope is better than the Battle of Hoth from Empire, IMO. Etc, etc. There are many parts of ALL of the movies I find better than parts of Empire, but Empire is my overall favorite.Of course, in the end, it all is opinion. If you can't believe I don't lower my expectations to watch the non-Empire Star Wars movies, then so be it. There's no way I can change how you think. To a point, at least, but there is a reason every single movie has an art/set/costume department. I apologize for that, but there's been at least two people who have accused me of such things. If that annoyance seeps into other discussions, I apologize. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Oh, they are biased, but doesn't that also mean that ANYONE Lucas pulls in will be biased? So really...there's nothing that can be done. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" />True, but stop sounding rational, this is the internet.</blockquote>

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