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Message: <blockquote data-quote="barsoomcore" data-source="post: 2111845" data-attributes="member: 812">Sorry, did I call anything valueless? Let me see, let me see....Nope, I didn't. I said things suck. I said they're crap. I even pointed out that those statements are logically equivalent to "I don't like them." I never said they must perforce be devoid of any value whatsoever. Since people like them, they obviously possess some sort of value. At least to those people.How, exactly, do you make an objective judgement of quality? Because if I don't like something, it's because it isn't very good. If it were good, I would like it. You seem to be conflating popular with good, yet again. I don't understand. Are you saying it is impossible for large groups of people to love and support crap?I mean you can say that if you like, but I find history supports the opposite notion -- that large groups of people commonly love and support crap. Have you ever read any poetry by Robert Southey, Poet Laureate of England in the early 1800's? He sucks. He's crap. And yet he was loved and praised to the skies in those days. Made a fortune, got a nice retirement package from the king, the whole bit. John Keats was overlooked, brushed off, unconsidered. Two hundred years later, you can find Keats in any poetry textbook. Bob Southey you'll have to dig a little to find.But art can possess value even if it's bad art. People can get enjoyment out of it even if it sucks -- people do this every day. They watch television which sucks and read books that suck and listen to music that sucks. Every single day, millions of people do this. Obviously they're getting value out of it.It's still crap.Clearly that bothers you. Once again, it is not my intention to offend anyone and I'm honestly sorry if that's what's happening. But that's my opinion and I was asked for it and I'll give it.If you think I'm wrong, if you think George Lucas is a great (or even a pretty good director), can we please talk about his directing? Rather than his money-making abilities? What exactly about the directing in TPM or AotC pleases you? What about the writing struck you as good? I'm willing to listen to any arguments that focus on his abilities as a director (like your comments on American Graffitti -- now that was a (start of a) conversation). If all you have to offer is that he's popular, well, I agree. I just think that history has shown again and again that crappy artists can be (and are) popular.</blockquote>

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