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<blockquote data-quote="Vigilance" data-source="post: 2113123" data-attributes="member: 4275"><p>There is a perfectly valid way to make an objective judgement of quality.</p><p></p><p>I don't like musicals. Never have never will. Thus your statement that Singing in the Rain is a "perfect" movie, has no bearing on my opinion whatsoever.</p><p></p><p>So I went to my sister, who loves musicals, amd she concurred with your take that it's a "perfect movie".</p><p></p><p>Therefore, in the instance of Singing in the Rain, I am willing to yield that it has a high degree of quality, even though I have never been able to sit through the whole thing.</p><p></p><p>As for defending Lucas movies... I haven't seen any cogent arguments on the other side. All I've seen are "the acting sucked, the writing sucked, Lucas is the weakest link, the movie he stayed the furthest away from was the best, he's an incompetent director".</p><p></p><p>Some of these statements were made by you, some by others. Still, they seem like emotional smackdowns, not arguments. </p><p></p><p>As for why *I* like the movies, here is what I liked:</p><p></p><p><strong>Episode I</strong></p><p></p><p>Qui-Gon. I thought he was a great character. A bit of a rogue. A smart mouth. Didn't give a damn for the rules, followed his heart. </p><p></p><p>Annakin's mother. The scene where Annakin is leaving her to a life of slavery, in order to follow his dream of being a Jedi was gut-wrenching to me, and I thought the woman who played that character gave a fantastic performance.</p><p></p><p>Darth Maul. This guy just oozes dread. Physical Charisma. Not all performances are about dialogue. Anyone who has ever scene a bad Falstaff can tell you that. He was a disposable villain, but he was a really *good* one.</p><p></p><p>Obi-wan. I always loved this character as played by Alec Guiness, and seeing that the crazy old man used to be a young, insecure, ambitious man who towed the Jedi Council's party line resonated with me. I see a lot of his future disdain for authority in the fact that the "party line" led him and everyone like him to ruin. </p><p></p><p>Terrance "KNEEL BEFORE ZOD" Stamp. I always love Terrance Stamp. The man is a sci-fi legend and always seems to bring his gravitas with him.</p><p></p><p>The sword fight. The Qui-gon/Obi-won/Darth Maul fight at the end was fantastic. When they backed Maul into a corner, and Obi-won gave a head fake at the moment Qui-gon attacked, I said to myself "nice, these two are working together to ICE this f***er". And the end of the fight, when Obi-won and Maul fought one on one had some blindingly fast sword moves. </p><p></p><p><strong>Episode II</strong></p><p></p><p>Christopher Lee. Slimy. His best charm-oozing Dracula sort of menace on display here. </p><p></p><p>Yoda fights! The moment he tossed his cane to the side and got ready to kick ass, I, along with most of the theater were on our feet. Watching it again on DVD, I noticed the many subtle homages in his mannerisms and expressions to Yojimbo. A nice, brilliant, directorial touch. Yoda as Toshiro Mifune? Daddy likes. </p><p></p><p>Annakin vs. the Sandpeople. This is where it all starts to fall apart for the tragic hero. Hayden really sold me on his ability to be pure evil in this scene. Also, having long been fascinated by the sandpeople, seeing how they live and getting another glimpse of their barbarism was nice. </p><p></p><p>The arena scene. Just a great fight scene where everyone got to shine. I liked the chemistry between Annakin and Padme and Obi-won in this scene a lot.Oh yeah, and Samuel L. Jackson kills Jango Fett. Really, what more could you want out of life.</p><p></p><p>Now I'm sure folks will now chime in and tell me how I'm wrong about all these, how the movies I liked did, in fact suck. </p><p></p><p>But oh well <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p>Chuck</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Vigilance, post: 2113123, member: 4275"] There is a perfectly valid way to make an objective judgement of quality. I don't like musicals. Never have never will. Thus your statement that Singing in the Rain is a "perfect" movie, has no bearing on my opinion whatsoever. So I went to my sister, who loves musicals, amd she concurred with your take that it's a "perfect movie". Therefore, in the instance of Singing in the Rain, I am willing to yield that it has a high degree of quality, even though I have never been able to sit through the whole thing. As for defending Lucas movies... I haven't seen any cogent arguments on the other side. All I've seen are "the acting sucked, the writing sucked, Lucas is the weakest link, the movie he stayed the furthest away from was the best, he's an incompetent director". Some of these statements were made by you, some by others. Still, they seem like emotional smackdowns, not arguments. As for why *I* like the movies, here is what I liked: [B]Episode I[/B] Qui-Gon. I thought he was a great character. A bit of a rogue. A smart mouth. Didn't give a damn for the rules, followed his heart. Annakin's mother. The scene where Annakin is leaving her to a life of slavery, in order to follow his dream of being a Jedi was gut-wrenching to me, and I thought the woman who played that character gave a fantastic performance. Darth Maul. This guy just oozes dread. Physical Charisma. Not all performances are about dialogue. Anyone who has ever scene a bad Falstaff can tell you that. He was a disposable villain, but he was a really *good* one. Obi-wan. I always loved this character as played by Alec Guiness, and seeing that the crazy old man used to be a young, insecure, ambitious man who towed the Jedi Council's party line resonated with me. I see a lot of his future disdain for authority in the fact that the "party line" led him and everyone like him to ruin. Terrance "KNEEL BEFORE ZOD" Stamp. I always love Terrance Stamp. The man is a sci-fi legend and always seems to bring his gravitas with him. The sword fight. The Qui-gon/Obi-won/Darth Maul fight at the end was fantastic. When they backed Maul into a corner, and Obi-won gave a head fake at the moment Qui-gon attacked, I said to myself "nice, these two are working together to ICE this f***er". And the end of the fight, when Obi-won and Maul fought one on one had some blindingly fast sword moves. [B]Episode II[/B] Christopher Lee. Slimy. His best charm-oozing Dracula sort of menace on display here. Yoda fights! The moment he tossed his cane to the side and got ready to kick ass, I, along with most of the theater were on our feet. Watching it again on DVD, I noticed the many subtle homages in his mannerisms and expressions to Yojimbo. A nice, brilliant, directorial touch. Yoda as Toshiro Mifune? Daddy likes. Annakin vs. the Sandpeople. This is where it all starts to fall apart for the tragic hero. Hayden really sold me on his ability to be pure evil in this scene. Also, having long been fascinated by the sandpeople, seeing how they live and getting another glimpse of their barbarism was nice. The arena scene. Just a great fight scene where everyone got to shine. I liked the chemistry between Annakin and Padme and Obi-won in this scene a lot.Oh yeah, and Samuel L. Jackson kills Jango Fett. Really, what more could you want out of life. Now I'm sure folks will now chime in and tell me how I'm wrong about all these, how the movies I liked did, in fact suck. But oh well ;) Chuck [/QUOTE]
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