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<blockquote data-quote="Vigilance" data-source="post: 2113490" data-attributes="member: 4275"><p>No its not me accepting one person's opinion. Its me seeing that MANY people disagree with my opinion.</p><p></p><p>See what I'm talking about is an avoidance of the classic bad review syndrome, you know where reviewer starts off with the following "disclaimer": I hate dungeons, I have never seen a dungeon adventure that was any good. Oh and I hate the DIablo video game for the same reason. Now, let's review this dungeon adventure! And of course, it gets a "2" or lower. What. A. Shock.</p><p></p><p>Or when a rock critic says "I hate rock opera, and this Queen album is the worst piece of tripe ever put on vinyl".</p><p></p><p>Both are true stories, one from an ENW staff reviewer and the other from Rockline. In these situations, where you know you won't like a type of movie (like me with musicals), then I think the thing to do is turn to someone who can give an objective opinion. </p><p></p><p>But that's just me, I'm a Libra and tend to see all sides of everything <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>See, I think that seeing movies with sound off supports the kind of movies I tend to like (the spectacles). However, I don't think it works for all good movies, not by any stretch. Full Metal Jacket (the basic training sequence) is one of my favorite sequences in any movie ever. Hilarious in a black-comedic way that hasn't been seen since MASH. But that sequences would make no sense without dialogue, and I think its brilliantly directed. </p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>Exactly. And, their performance in the first movie informs us in the second movie. We have seen a Sensei-Student relationship that worked. So when we see Annakin and Obi-won, we immediately realize that this isn't how it's supposed to be. </p><p></p><p>And again, in Obi-wan's performance in Ep II I love his "proper" ways that I know he'll have ditched (in favor of Qui-gon's methods) by the time he teaches Luke. </p><p></p><p>I also love how he blames himself for the failure. In ESB, he says Annakin was his failure. Seeing the prequels, I love that I disagree with him. He was one wanting to off the kid (or at least handcuff him and try to slow the growth of the power curve) and Yoda and Mace were the ones pushing the kid ahead.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Well, I think she saw the goodness in Qui-gon myself. Here was a guy who walked into her life and did nothing but care for her son. I saw in her that she had never met a man who did that. </p><p></p><p>Also, I don't think she *did* know she could trust him. But a chance at freedom with Qui-gon was more of a chance than he had with her. And Qui-gon was a Jedi. I think that gave him a certain added level of trust from her. It would be like being a Knight of the Round Table. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yeah, he's great and I was pretty sure no one could play Obi-wan.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Right, Lucas' actors have always had to sink or swim largely on their own. And that is a weakness of his as a director. I still love his movies, but still, he leaves actors out on a big ledge.</p><p></p><p>Here's a story from American Grafitti.</p><p></p><p>Ron Howard meets Lucas, and is in awe, because he too wants to direct some day, and for those who seek or sit in the Big Chair (like Howard and Speilberg and Coppola) THX-1138 made Lucas a star for them immediately.</p><p></p><p>So Howard mentions to Lucas that he wants to direct and Lucas says, "Oh yeah that would be great for you Ron! Listen, take my advice, go into animation, then you don't have to deal with actors."</p><p></p><p>And Ron nodded and walked away thinking "He doesn't like actors?"</p><p></p><p>But yet the movie was really GOOD. </p><p></p><p>You can either hear this story and think Lucas is a technically gifted hack, or you can hear it and think he's letting the actors do their thing without being micromanaged. Some (like Mannikin Skywalker/Jake Lloyd) really need that, and some (like Harrison Ford and Ewan McGregor) shine.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>See, for me, as a Kurosawa fan, this makes the movies good right there. I have no problem saying I watch the sequal to Yojimbo purely for the fight scene at the end. That's enough for a movie imo. </p><p></p><p>As a fan of the theater, if I want story and plot I'll hitch to NYC and catch Henry IV.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>True, but also a brilliant directorial stroke. See, Lucas was conciously patterning the character after Yojimbo and there's even a scene in the Ep II DVD where he tells a CGI guy "watch Yojimbo again, that's how I want him to act".</p><p></p><p>One thing I love about watching Lucas' films is his little Kurosawa homages, which as a trememndous fan, I catch all the time and give me the warm and fuzzies. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Sure it was. So was Obi-wan dying in ANH. And Hayden's acting was much better than Hammill's.</p><p></p><p>The movies ARE melodrama. They are action/adventure with a little Japanese revenge tragedy tossed in for flavor. I don't rip the movies for what they are, because what they are rocks imo. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You are?!?! Really?</p><p></p><p>So, when Luke "trusts his feelings" and turns off his targeting device, you thought he was going to miss?</p><p></p><p>Well I was 9 and I *knew* he was going to nail that puppy. From the first time he mentions hitting Wampum Rats (or whatever the hell he called them) it was set up loud and clear that he was the one who would make the shot. Sorry, not a lot of tension for me there, just good clean fun.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And I knew Luke wasn't going to die fighting the Rancor too lol. Maybe you saw tension there, but I saw it as cool.</p><p></p><p>Die fighting Vader? That was a possibility. Die 30 minutes into the last film against some monster? Not bloody likely.</p><p></p><p>Again, you are slamming the prequals for things the originals did as well. </p><p></p><p>Chuck</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Vigilance, post: 2113490, member: 4275"] No its not me accepting one person's opinion. Its me seeing that MANY people disagree with my opinion. See what I'm talking about is an avoidance of the classic bad review syndrome, you know where reviewer starts off with the following "disclaimer": I hate dungeons, I have never seen a dungeon adventure that was any good. Oh and I hate the DIablo video game for the same reason. Now, let's review this dungeon adventure! And of course, it gets a "2" or lower. What. A. Shock. Or when a rock critic says "I hate rock opera, and this Queen album is the worst piece of tripe ever put on vinyl". Both are true stories, one from an ENW staff reviewer and the other from Rockline. In these situations, where you know you won't like a type of movie (like me with musicals), then I think the thing to do is turn to someone who can give an objective opinion. But that's just me, I'm a Libra and tend to see all sides of everything ;) See, I think that seeing movies with sound off supports the kind of movies I tend to like (the spectacles). However, I don't think it works for all good movies, not by any stretch. Full Metal Jacket (the basic training sequence) is one of my favorite sequences in any movie ever. Hilarious in a black-comedic way that hasn't been seen since MASH. But that sequences would make no sense without dialogue, and I think its brilliantly directed. Exactly. And, their performance in the first movie informs us in the second movie. We have seen a Sensei-Student relationship that worked. So when we see Annakin and Obi-won, we immediately realize that this isn't how it's supposed to be. And again, in Obi-wan's performance in Ep II I love his "proper" ways that I know he'll have ditched (in favor of Qui-gon's methods) by the time he teaches Luke. I also love how he blames himself for the failure. In ESB, he says Annakin was his failure. Seeing the prequels, I love that I disagree with him. He was one wanting to off the kid (or at least handcuff him and try to slow the growth of the power curve) and Yoda and Mace were the ones pushing the kid ahead. Well, I think she saw the goodness in Qui-gon myself. Here was a guy who walked into her life and did nothing but care for her son. I saw in her that she had never met a man who did that. Also, I don't think she *did* know she could trust him. But a chance at freedom with Qui-gon was more of a chance than he had with her. And Qui-gon was a Jedi. I think that gave him a certain added level of trust from her. It would be like being a Knight of the Round Table. Yeah, he's great and I was pretty sure no one could play Obi-wan. Right, Lucas' actors have always had to sink or swim largely on their own. And that is a weakness of his as a director. I still love his movies, but still, he leaves actors out on a big ledge. Here's a story from American Grafitti. Ron Howard meets Lucas, and is in awe, because he too wants to direct some day, and for those who seek or sit in the Big Chair (like Howard and Speilberg and Coppola) THX-1138 made Lucas a star for them immediately. So Howard mentions to Lucas that he wants to direct and Lucas says, "Oh yeah that would be great for you Ron! Listen, take my advice, go into animation, then you don't have to deal with actors." And Ron nodded and walked away thinking "He doesn't like actors?" But yet the movie was really GOOD. You can either hear this story and think Lucas is a technically gifted hack, or you can hear it and think he's letting the actors do their thing without being micromanaged. Some (like Mannikin Skywalker/Jake Lloyd) really need that, and some (like Harrison Ford and Ewan McGregor) shine. See, for me, as a Kurosawa fan, this makes the movies good right there. I have no problem saying I watch the sequal to Yojimbo purely for the fight scene at the end. That's enough for a movie imo. As a fan of the theater, if I want story and plot I'll hitch to NYC and catch Henry IV. True, but also a brilliant directorial stroke. See, Lucas was conciously patterning the character after Yojimbo and there's even a scene in the Ep II DVD where he tells a CGI guy "watch Yojimbo again, that's how I want him to act". One thing I love about watching Lucas' films is his little Kurosawa homages, which as a trememndous fan, I catch all the time and give me the warm and fuzzies. Sure it was. So was Obi-wan dying in ANH. And Hayden's acting was much better than Hammill's. The movies ARE melodrama. They are action/adventure with a little Japanese revenge tragedy tossed in for flavor. I don't rip the movies for what they are, because what they are rocks imo. You are?!?! Really? So, when Luke "trusts his feelings" and turns off his targeting device, you thought he was going to miss? Well I was 9 and I *knew* he was going to nail that puppy. From the first time he mentions hitting Wampum Rats (or whatever the hell he called them) it was set up loud and clear that he was the one who would make the shot. Sorry, not a lot of tension for me there, just good clean fun. And I knew Luke wasn't going to die fighting the Rancor too lol. Maybe you saw tension there, but I saw it as cool. Die fighting Vader? That was a possibility. Die 30 minutes into the last film against some monster? Not bloody likely. Again, you are slamming the prequals for things the originals did as well. Chuck [/QUOTE]
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