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<blockquote data-quote="James Gasik" data-source="post: 8594942" data-attributes="member: 6877472">Back when WotC had forums, there was a long stickied post about the Stealth rules called something like &quot;The Rules of Hidden&quot; just to explain how they worked.&nbsp; And I read it, and I tried to explain it to people.Because there was a rework of the Stealth rules from what was originally published when 4e launched.&nbsp; And the new rules were still hard to follow without this post.&nbsp; The problem was, the original rules were still in the books, and the utility powers for Stealth still referred to the original rules.I remember when a player came into an Encounters game with his Ninja and tried using a utility power that would let him move and then Stealth, and the DM was like &quot;wait, that's not how Stealth works&quot; and there was a big debate about it because it turned out, people who played the game were, for the most part, not people who frequented the forums.&nbsp; So you had one group going off of the original rules, one group that went off the new rules but hadn't read the clarifications, and the final group that knew the rules had changed and had read the clarifications needed to grok them.Once you understood the rules, they were workable, but it still took way too much verbiage to portray what should be a simple concept.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="James Gasik, post: 8594942, member: 6877472"] Back when WotC had forums, there was a long stickied post about the Stealth rules called something like "The Rules of Hidden" just to explain how they worked. And I read it, and I tried to explain it to people. Because there was a rework of the Stealth rules from what was originally published when 4e launched. And the new rules were still hard to follow without this post. The problem was, the original rules were still in the books, and the utility powers for Stealth still referred to the original rules. I remember when a player came into an Encounters game with his Ninja and tried using a utility power that would let him move and then Stealth, and the DM was like "wait, that's not how Stealth works" and there was a big debate about it because it turned out, people who played the game were, for the most part, [B]not people who frequented the forums[/B]. So you had one group going off of the original rules, one group that went off the new rules but hadn't read the clarifications, and the final group that knew the rules had changed and had read the clarifications needed to grok them. Once you understood the rules, they were workable, but it still took way too much verbiage to portray what should be a simple concept. [/QUOTE]

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