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<blockquote data-quote="James Gasik" data-source="post: 8594993" data-attributes="member: 6877472">I would say that if someone is having a problem and you haven't seen it, a deeper inquiry is needed.&nbsp; Because I don't immediately think they are lying, so it comes down to one of the following:1) they have misunderstood the rules.&nbsp; This happens.&nbsp; You miss a sentence tucked away somewhere unexpected.&nbsp; See: players who thought &quot;use an object&quot; was the action for activating magic items without checking the DMG.2) they have been misled.&nbsp; This happens as well, reading books extensively and exhaustively takes away time from playing or running the game.&nbsp; Example: they were introduced to a &quot;house rule&quot; that no one told them was a house rule.3) they have encountered one of the (many) edge cases that WotC left up to DM judgement, and are one of those people who doesn't &quot;immediately grok&quot; the solution.&nbsp; See: me!&nbsp; Often I have people go &quot;no, you fool, it's obvious, you do X!&quot; and I'm like &quot;how is that obvious, the passage I'm reading doesn't even say do X!&quot;.This is usually where I get the dismissive comments as people can't believe someone could be tripped up by such a thing.&nbsp; They'll cite &quot;it's natural language, it doesn't have to be spelled out&quot; and I, having cut my teeth on rules systems that do spell things out, quietly go mad, wondering if everyone else has different copies of the rulebooks than I do.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="James Gasik, post: 8594993, member: 6877472"] I would say that if someone is having a problem and you haven't seen it, a deeper inquiry is needed. Because I don't immediately think they are lying, so it comes down to one of the following: 1) they have misunderstood the rules. This happens. You miss a sentence tucked away somewhere unexpected. See: players who thought "use an object" was the action for activating magic items without checking the DMG. 2) they have been misled. This happens as well, reading books extensively and exhaustively takes away time from playing or running the game. Example: they were introduced to a "house rule" that no one told them was a house rule. 3) they have encountered one of the (many) edge cases that WotC left up to DM judgement, and are one of those people who doesn't "immediately grok" the solution. See: me! Often I have people go "no, you fool, it's obvious, you do X!" and I'm like "how is that obvious, the passage I'm reading doesn't even say do X!". This is usually where I get the dismissive comments as people can't believe someone could be tripped up by such a thing. They'll cite "it's natural language, it doesn't have to be spelled out" and I, having cut my teeth on rules systems that [B]do [/B]spell things out, quietly go mad, wondering if everyone else has different copies of the rulebooks than I do. [/QUOTE]

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