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<blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 8599380" data-attributes="member: 93670">I'm not seeing anywhere in those two posts where you explain what about &quot; groups that aren't good?&quot; or any indication that the statement &quot;What if they need to run?... running has pretty much always been easy&quot; is false.&nbsp; Something can be easy and still have a chance of failure.&nbsp;&nbsp; Relying on an assumption that monsters will never allow players to escape to ignore that the chase rules you brought up are not built for run away &amp; open with &quot;Strict application of the movement rules can turn a potentially exciting chase into a dull, predictable affair. Faster creatures always catch up to slower ones, while creatures with the same speed never close the distance between each other. This set of rules can make chases more exciting by introducing random elements. &quot;. They are built to &quot;make chases exciting&quot;.&nbsp; Hunting down fleeing characters to the last man when they are dedicated to fleeing is not in any way &quot;exciting&quot;. We were talking about a werewolf not a kobold sorcerer plus a bunch of dart shooting kobolds. Why does &quot;the DM [refuse] to allow combat to end&quot;. Are the players carrying something like the idol of <a href="https://www.nwnravenloft.com/forum/index.php?topic=40003.0" target="_blank">the wolf god</a>&nbsp; stolen from it's holy place &amp; trying to escape without leaving behind the thing causing a werewolf to keep chasing them so they can destroy it?&nbsp;&nbsp; Did the players wait till everyone was bouncing up &amp; down with healing word to flee because it allowed them to kill the other N werewolves in a pack with this single enraged werewolf till there was no more healing words to be had?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="tetrasodium, post: 8599380, member: 93670"] I'm not seeing anywhere in those two posts where you explain [I][B][U]what[/U][/B] about " groups that aren't good?[/I]" or any indication that the statement "What if they need to run?... running has pretty much always been easy" is false. Something can be easy and still have a chance of failure. Relying on an assumption that monsters will never allow players to escape to ignore that the chase rules you brought up are not built for run away & open with [I]"Strict application of the movement rules can turn a potentially exciting chase into a dull, predictable affair. Faster creatures always catch up to slower ones, while creatures with the same speed never close the distance between each other. This set of rules can make chases more exciting by introducing random elements. "[/I]. They are built to "make chases exciting". Hunting down fleeing characters to the last man when they are dedicated to fleeing is not in any way "exciting"[B]. [/B] We were talking about [I]a[/I] werewolf not a kobold sorcerer plus a bunch of dart shooting kobolds. [I][B][U]Why[/U] [/B][/I][B]does "the DM [refuse] to allow combat to end[/B][I][B]"[/B]. [/I] Are the players carrying something like the idol of [URL='https://www.nwnravenloft.com/forum/index.php?topic=40003.0']the wolf god[/URL] stolen from it's holy place & trying to escape without leaving behind the thing causing [I]a[/I] werewolf to keep chasing them so they can destroy it? Did the players wait till everyone was bouncing up & down with healing word to flee because it allowed them to kill the other N werewolves in a pack with this single enraged werewolf till there was no more healing words to be had? [/QUOTE]

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