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<blockquote data-quote="Thomas Shey" data-source="post: 8599956" data-attributes="member: 7026617">Well, honestly, from the reactions some proponents of that early style have and the casual attitude that was common in some circles to low level PCs, I suspect that some occasionally massive failures at that point was just considered the cost of doing business.Though as I always feel the need to point out, no similar rules for outside encounters.&nbsp; And even using the inside ones was sometimes tricky (and in a few cases, failed the sniff test--it wasn't clear what was going to distract a lot of the low-middle level undead for example).Well, the &quot;static dungeon&quot; model only made sense in a very limited number of cases once you pressed on it even in the early days.Hard to see it any other way as long as you view encounters in a planned state.Though, as I've noted, I saw problems even with the side initiative and doing this all the way back to OD&amp;D.Yes.&nbsp; Its extremely non-simulationist in its design in that regard, but it puts the stakes out fairly plainly.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Thomas Shey, post: 8599956, member: 7026617"] Well, honestly, from the reactions some proponents of that early style have and the casual attitude that was common in some circles to low level PCs, I suspect that some occasionally massive failures at that point was just considered the cost of doing business. Though as I always feel the need to point out, no similar rules for outside encounters. And even using the inside ones was sometimes tricky (and in a few cases, failed the sniff test--it wasn't clear what was going to distract a lot of the low-middle level undead for example). Well, the "static dungeon" model only made sense in a very limited number of cases once you pressed on it even in the early days. Hard to see it any other way as long as you view encounters in a planned state. Though, as I've noted, I saw problems even with the side initiative and doing this all the way back to OD&D. Yes. Its extremely non-simulationist in its design in that regard, but it puts the stakes out fairly plainly. [/QUOTE]

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