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<blockquote data-quote="James Gasik" data-source="post: 8600189" data-attributes="member: 6877472">Any class is good or bad based on the player and their decisions.&nbsp; Imagine someone has this crazy idea to play a Kobold strength based Fighter (15 Strength!) with a greatsword because they think it's funny- I would agree, but obviously there's going to be a problem here.A Sorcerer is spectacularly easy to mess up, since you need to go over their spell list with a fine toothed comb and be very careful with what spells they choose.&nbsp; I know a player who thinks Witch Bolt is the best level 1 spell ever, and nothing you say can convince him otherwise.What bugs me most isn't if one person optimizes or strategizes or does neither of these things, it's really more when nobody thinks about optimizing the group.&nbsp; DM will have a session 0 and ask what people will play, and about the best you get is one guy grudgingly saying he'll play a Cleric, so everyone goes &quot;yay, we don't have to worry about heals!&quot;...and session 1 begins and the guy is a Dwarf Tempest Cleric who refuses to use Healing Word and wants to wade into melee and go kaboom.Which is fine, but that means if you go down, he's not going to be much help.&nbsp; Or someone is like &quot;behold!&nbsp; my warlock/shadow monk with devil's sight!&quot; and then when he goes down, you can't use healing word on him because the target line is a creature you can see!</blockquote>

[QUOTE="James Gasik, post: 8600189, member: 6877472"] Any class is good or bad based on the player and their decisions. Imagine someone has this crazy idea to play a Kobold strength based Fighter (15 Strength!) with a greatsword because they think it's funny- I would agree, but obviously there's going to be a problem here. A Sorcerer is spectacularly easy to mess up, since you need to go over their spell list with a fine toothed comb and be very careful with what spells they choose. I know a player who thinks Witch Bolt is the best level 1 spell ever, and nothing you say can convince him otherwise. What bugs me most isn't if one person optimizes or strategizes or does neither of these things, it's really more when nobody thinks about optimizing the group. DM will have a session 0 and ask what people will play, and about the best you get is one guy grudgingly saying he'll play a Cleric, so everyone goes "yay, we don't have to worry about heals!"...and session 1 begins and the guy is a Dwarf Tempest Cleric who refuses to use Healing Word and wants to wade into melee and go kaboom. Which is fine, but that means if you go down, he's not going to be much help. Or someone is like "behold! my warlock/shadow monk with devil's sight!" and then when he goes down, you can't use healing word on him because the target line is a creature you can see! [/QUOTE]

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