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The Problem with Treantmonk's Hunter's Mark
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<blockquote data-quote="Tigris" data-source="post: 9855937" data-attributes="member: 7043270"><p>I think this is a really good summary. Maybe to add:</p><p></p><p>The reason why people dont want to change hunters mark is to make sure the "fix" does not empower other classes which can somehow grab hunters mark. Especially full casters which have higher spell slots.</p><p></p><p>Additionally, many people do not like the class being dependant on Hunters Mark (and some like me argue that it is not at the moment), so improving hunters mark would make this depencency stronger / or be there in the first place.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Thats also the reason why the capstone is bad/ not liked, because it is 100% dependant on hunters mark, and not just "improves your backup spell" like the other "hunters mark features". </p><p></p><p></p><p>I actually think the level 13 and 17 features are really clever gamedesign. It comes at levels where you normally would not get features because higher spell level, so it needs to be a weak feature. And a weak feature helping to keep a low level spell relevant (which else might not be anymore, especially now with higher level spells), is great. Thats the one thing I feel missing in the stars druid subclass, something to make sure the free level 1 casts you get stay useful. </p><p></p><p>Also overall (with the below quote as argument), I dont really think that the Ranger needs a "fix", except the capstone. The capstone should make hunters mark no longer need a bonus action and no longer uses concentration (or that you can concentrate on it + another spell). (Instead or in addition to making the hunters mark 1d10). </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I agree and also the Ranger is (especially in 2014) all about consistency, so crit chance really does not fit.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tigris, post: 9855937, member: 7043270"] I think this is a really good summary. Maybe to add: The reason why people dont want to change hunters mark is to make sure the "fix" does not empower other classes which can somehow grab hunters mark. Especially full casters which have higher spell slots. Additionally, many people do not like the class being dependant on Hunters Mark (and some like me argue that it is not at the moment), so improving hunters mark would make this depencency stronger / or be there in the first place. Thats also the reason why the capstone is bad/ not liked, because it is 100% dependant on hunters mark, and not just "improves your backup spell" like the other "hunters mark features". I actually think the level 13 and 17 features are really clever gamedesign. It comes at levels where you normally would not get features because higher spell level, so it needs to be a weak feature. And a weak feature helping to keep a low level spell relevant (which else might not be anymore, especially now with higher level spells), is great. Thats the one thing I feel missing in the stars druid subclass, something to make sure the free level 1 casts you get stay useful. Also overall (with the below quote as argument), I dont really think that the Ranger needs a "fix", except the capstone. The capstone should make hunters mark no longer need a bonus action and no longer uses concentration (or that you can concentrate on it + another spell). (Instead or in addition to making the hunters mark 1d10). I agree and also the Ranger is (especially in 2014) all about consistency, so crit chance really does not fit. [/QUOTE]
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