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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Wyrmshadows" data-source="post: 4449814" data-attributes="member: 56166">I think there was a book called Lords of Darkness that expanded the bad guys a bit.  Agreed. I recall the Return of the Archwizards trilogy where an army of folk, led by the Chosen, were slaughtering beholders and Illythids left and right. It was very, very over the top.  FR initially suffered under TSRs bizarre ethics rules for writers that demanded the good guys not only won, but that the bad guys could no way benefit from acts of evil. I remember how incompetant Zhentil Keep and Red Wizards were. You wonder how on earth they ever achieved anything at all.  Maybe you are right. As a DM I didn't like that the good guys were so much more powerful but I always chalked it up to the bad guys having the numbers and the god guys having the better individual talent. However, I admit this only goes so far before stretching credibility to the breaking point. The gods were too damn directly involved anyway. It was looking more and more like Greek Myth all the time. If everyone is special and touched by the gods....then no one is. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />  Fair enough.  I made my player's PCs into Chosen for a cataclysmic campaign I ran on FR over about a 4yr period. I added all kinds of coolness to them so they were the equal of some of the other Chosen. They loved it. However, to be fair, DMs shouldn't be asked to do that kind of thing as a matter of course in order to not have the PCs outshined again and again.  FR needed a good cleaning up, I have to agree with that. I don't like the newest RSA, the Spellplague, because it brought with it too many retcons. However, to see some of the Chosen removed is IMO ultimately a good thing. 4e is so different from 3e that I don't know that WoTC had much choice. A RSE is better than hundreds of retcons.  IMO FR is pretty much dead. What exists now is branded with the FR IP but feels nothing like the old setting. I own the 4e FRCS even though I don't run 4e and have to say that if one were to swap out some recognizable names and cange the map, one wouldn't even notice that setting was supposed to be FR.  Wyrmshadows</blockquote>

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