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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 8494965" data-attributes="member: 22779">It's wrong for the fandom to argue against change knowing that not changing something is keeping someone from enjoying the hobby.  Publishers and publishing is an angle you keep trying to bring up and I simply don't care.  Publishers in no way need my or your protection.  If they choose to sell something, even knowing that whatever it is they're trying to sell will cost them sales, that's on them.  But, this repeated attempt to steer the discussion into the realm of publishers is a non-starter as far as I'm concerned.  Who cares if some publisher wants to publish something?  I'm saying that arguments from the fandom defending these sorts of things is what keeps people out of the fandom.Yes, it really does.  The only reason you can argue, "Well, if you don't like it, leave." is because you have the privilege of knowing that your voice will ALWAYS be heard.  That everything you want and like will be catered to.  And, let's be honest here, if you're seriously comparing Swift, deliberately writing satire of the upper classes, and very, VERY much not punching down, and drawing pin-up art in fantasy game books, well, we really have no conversation here.  Swift, at no point, was punching down.  He was very deliberately writing satire to effect social change.  Are you now claiming that we should include pin-up art in game books as a vehicle for social change?</blockquote>

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