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Message: <blockquote data-quote="CapnZapp" data-source="post: 8495080" data-attributes="member: 12731">I can come up with several examples (re: PS in my previous post just above), but will discuss them within spoilers, not because they might spoil works (they might) but because it is a sidetrack for this thread:[SPOILER]Showrunner Misha Green made a misstep when the only transgender native american character on Lovecraft Country was killed off almost as quickly as the character was introduced. It didn't help the character was introduced in a vulnerable state (featured in fully frontal nudity). However, the series as a whole was lauded and Misha Green does not face accusations of being an naughty word generally.The 2015 movie Youth features a textbook case of gratitious nudity, when Mădălina Diana Ghenea decides to enter the pool where Michael Caine and Harvey Keitel sits, completely in the nude, with the camera definitely in "male gaze" mode. While director Sorrentino might get a pass "because Europe" and thus being outside the reach of morally indignant Americans, actors Caine and Keitel have faced zero pushback for their participation.The Netflix series Altered Carbon got a mixed reception to say the least (talking season one here). It does many things to naked females that can't be said to be politically correct, and that's not my point. My point is that the showrunner Laeta Kalogridis sure faced a lot of criticism, but not of the "you are excluding women" kind. Full disclosure: I personally loved its sleazy uncompromising take on classic cyberpunk.Margot Robbie is a very successful and talent actress. But would she have been where she is today without her fully nude scene in Scorcese's Wolf of Wall Street? (I wouldn't call it a "debut" since Wikipedia tells me she had half a dozen acting credits pre-2013) And would another, less culturally entrenched, director get away with such a scene? Would another actor than Leonardo diCaprio? This example is admittedly less potent of its relative age, since 2013 is pre #metoo. But does that mean Margot should consider herself lucky to have made her big break before that door shut? I cannot recall a single instance of somebody claiming Robbie is overrated because she took the "easy" way to fame.(only <s>two</s> four examples for now. I might add a few more if and when I think of them. Hopefully this is enough for you to see my point. Note: I am deliberately aiming to include at least as many works by female and/or PoC creators than rich white pasty dudes, just because)[/SPOILER]I could add many more examples (and please do, possibly in a new thread?) but the point stands: these are works of art that can be construed as offensive to somebody. Definitely. Without question. That is still not a good reason to censor or block them. It is a good reason to avoid them, though.Of course, I'm not arguing for frontal nudity in products like D&D aimed partially at an underage audience, but I don't need to say that. Roleplayers don't limit their dissections of gaming material to only PG supplements after all.</blockquote>

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