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<blockquote data-quote="WizarDru" data-source="post: 1484700" data-attributes="member: 151"><p>The devil it has. There are films that have been held up as much, <em>much</em> worse than the first Punisher film. "Batman and Robin" is routinely presented as one of the worst, as was Corman's "Fantastic Four", and let's not forget virtually any attempt at Captain America or the live action Justice League pilot. And that's just getting started.</p><p> </p><p> And....Latino Review? Who are they?</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> Anyhow, here's what RottenTomatoes says: <a href="http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/ThePunisher-1131721/" target="_blank">currently at 39%</a>, but it's early yet with only 18 reviews.</p><p> By way of comparison, Hellboy has 77%, with 140 reviews.</p><p> Spiderman garnered 89% with 168 reviews, ultimately.</p><p> Batman and Robin <a href="http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/BatmanRobin-1077027/" target="_blank">garnered a 13%</a>, with only 40 reviews.</p><p> </p><p> Further comparison: imdb gives Spiderman a 7.6 (46K votes), The first Punisher movie a 4.6 (1.3K), B&R a 3.4 (23K votes) and Hellboy (3.2K votes) a 6.9. Of course, imdb tends to be very unreliable as a measure, since it's so prone to snipe and payback-voting. (people intentionally voting 1s and 10s to influence the overall rating, for example). And of course, box-office gross might be considered to have a say. Compare the $230 million that B&R made globally against, say, the similar amount made by Superman: The Movie. (however, B&R cost 110 million, while Superman cost $40, and made almost two decades apart). Note also that the Dolph punisher move was made for $10 million, and released direct to video....so technically, there hasn't been a theatrically released Punisher movie, either way.</p><p> </p><p> As for story integrity...well, how many folks here recall that Frank Castle wasn't his original name? How many recall that he was brought back from the dead by Angels? That he gunned down some people for jaywalking after he snapped, later written that he was under the influence of psychotropics he'd been drugged with while in prison. I mean, he's been around for thirty years: he's got just as much goofy backstory as the next guy. In some ways, the 'Frank's Back' arc by Ennis ignores a huge chunk of this backstory, for sanity's sake. But being true to the comic is not always a good criteria to use. </p><p> </p><p> Of course, it sounds like the film is probably just 'OK'....which is a disappointment, but that just means I'll go see Kill Bill vol. 2, instead. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="WizarDru, post: 1484700, member: 151"] The devil it has. There are films that have been held up as much, [i]much[/i] worse than the first Punisher film. "Batman and Robin" is routinely presented as one of the worst, as was Corman's "Fantastic Four", and let's not forget virtually any attempt at Captain America or the live action Justice League pilot. And that's just getting started. And....Latino Review? Who are they? Anyhow, here's what RottenTomatoes says: [url="http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/ThePunisher-1131721/"]currently at 39%[/url], but it's early yet with only 18 reviews. By way of comparison, Hellboy has 77%, with 140 reviews. Spiderman garnered 89% with 168 reviews, ultimately. Batman and Robin [url="http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/BatmanRobin-1077027/"]garnered a 13%[/url], with only 40 reviews. Further comparison: imdb gives Spiderman a 7.6 (46K votes), The first Punisher movie a 4.6 (1.3K), B&R a 3.4 (23K votes) and Hellboy (3.2K votes) a 6.9. Of course, imdb tends to be very unreliable as a measure, since it's so prone to snipe and payback-voting. (people intentionally voting 1s and 10s to influence the overall rating, for example). And of course, box-office gross might be considered to have a say. Compare the $230 million that B&R made globally against, say, the similar amount made by Superman: The Movie. (however, B&R cost 110 million, while Superman cost $40, and made almost two decades apart). Note also that the Dolph punisher move was made for $10 million, and released direct to video....so technically, there hasn't been a theatrically released Punisher movie, either way. As for story integrity...well, how many folks here recall that Frank Castle wasn't his original name? How many recall that he was brought back from the dead by Angels? That he gunned down some people for jaywalking after he snapped, later written that he was under the influence of psychotropics he'd been drugged with while in prison. I mean, he's been around for thirty years: he's got just as much goofy backstory as the next guy. In some ways, the 'Frank's Back' arc by Ennis ignores a huge chunk of this backstory, for sanity's sake. But being true to the comic is not always a good criteria to use. Of course, it sounds like the film is probably just 'OK'....which is a disappointment, but that just means I'll go see Kill Bill vol. 2, instead. :) [/QUOTE]
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