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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Upper_Krust" data-source="post: 9520992" data-attributes="member: 326">Didn't Jim Ward mention Gary (Gygax) was purportedly a bit annoyed Deities & Demigods (which wasn't written under his auspices) did not have something akin to the Quasi-deity and Hero-deity transitional powers (later shown in the World of Greyhawk gold boxed set) - although it did have the "Heroes" entries I suppose.Aside from a few anomalies (Lolth with 66 HP) AD&D's Deities & Demigods had fairly decent scaling of its immortal beings, but those did not always mesh with what we saw in the Monster Manuals.Gary mentioned to me (via email around 22-23 years ago) that at the time of his ousting from TSR he was planning a book that would redo the stats of the immortals within all the Monster Manual and Fiend Folio books (the likes of Orcus and Asmodeus) to better bring them 'up to date' with d12's for Hit Dice and so forth. Not sure if he meant update them to be more in line with Deities & Demigods or something new altogether. But certainly while the Demon Princes were considered Lesser Gods they were 'weak' compared to those other Lesser Gods in D&Dg, at least in terms of hit points where it was more like: Quasi-deity 100 HP+, Hero-deity 150 HP+, Demigod 200 HP+, Lesser God 250 HP+, Greater God 350 HP+, Pantheon Head 400 HP...as rough approximations.But I agree with you such beings are clearly setup to be challenged by groups of mortal PCs of the highest levels.</blockquote>

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